Maddon/Callaway vs. Ausmus/White

[Hubs]

Am I wrong in thinking that the manager (and pitching coach) switch alone, even with the exact same team as in 2019, would be +10 wins? I was a huge Scioscia fan even in the later years, I thought, the grass isn't always greener...I wasn't a fan of the Ausmus hire, but thought, Doug White will save the day...boy was I wrong about that.

But I didn't think the team functioned as a team very well in the later half of the year and injuries just consumed them. The only time I saw them working well as a team was in July. I honestly believe the big differences between 2018 and 2019 was the manager. This team I think would've been 9/10 wins better had they retained Scioscia for 2019.

So.. I have that same confidence I had with Scioscia in Maddon and Callaway. I think Callaway gets the best out of several pitchers on the staff, including Dylan Bundy and Griffin Canning, but also Andrew Heaney.

This is the right hire, and I think the team will be that much better...even without the adds, but I do expect them to add one significant free agent starter. They may also trade for someone, but I don't think Canning is the 6th guy, I think that's left to Sandoval, Barria, and Pena.

 

[T.G.]

Ausmus/White = AW

AW = AngelsWin

What's good for AW traffic isn't necessarily good for the team.

Edge: Lowell

Edited December 12, 2019 by True Grich

[eligrba]

Mark Langston consistently pointed out the same problems with pitchers throughout the year. I can imagine some of those issues will be resolved with new coaching personnel.

[mmc]

Doug White and Brad Ausmus never had any business being a pitching coach and manager.  

[T.G.]

1 minute ago, mymerlincat said:

Doug White and Brad Ausmus never had any business being a pitching coach and manager.  

Wait... What are you doing here?  Get back on Twitter Hot Stove Watch immediately!

 

[Pancake Bear]

I don’t know if we can quantify the difference yet, and I don’t think they’ll help keep guys from getting injured. 

That said, I have every confidence that Maddon and Callaway will squeeze all the ability possibke out of every player. I agree it should make a noticeable difference. 

[failos]

Ausmus was a horrible manager.

[Blarg]

1 hour ago, Hubs said:

Am I wrong in thinking that the manager (and pitching coach) switch alone, even with the exact same team as in 2019, would be +10 wins?

Talent creates a 10 win swing. Last years pitching staff would have made Maddon look bad. 

[Chuck]

55 minutes ago, mymerlincat said:

Doug White and Brad Ausmus never had any business being a pitching coach and manager.  

 

[robblin17]

MANAGERS ARE WORTH NOTHING...says the Scioscia nutswingers. 

[Stradling]

5 minutes ago, robblin17 said:

MANAGERS ARE WORTH NOTHING...says the Scioscia nutswingers. 

They mean something just not what most fans want to believe. If Ausmus was the worst manager and Maddon the best then we would see a 5 or so game swing. 

[robblin17]

Just now, Stradling said:

They mean something just not what most fans want to believe. If Ausmus was the worst manager and Maddon the best then we would see a 5 or so game swing. 

That's a lot of games. So Maddon is a 5 WAR manager. 

[Stradling]

2 minutes ago, robblin17 said:

That's a lot of games. So Maddon is a 5 WAR manager. 

Well that’s assuming one is the best and the other is the worst.  I don’t believe either is the case. 

[Pancake Bear]

1 minute ago, Stradling said:

Well that’s assuming one is the best and the other is the worst.  I don’t believe either is the case. 

Do you have a pick for both? I feel like Maddon is up there in clubhouse presence and motivating players. Less sold on his in game management. Ausmus made good in game decisions, IMO (others probably disagree), but seems like he maybe wasn’t the greatest at Maddon’s strengths, and those are a bigger deal. 

[Stradling]

Just now, Sean-Regan said:

Do you have a pick for both? I feel like Maddon is up there in clubhouse presence and motivating players. Less sold on his in game management. Ausmus made good in game decisions, IMO (others probably disagree), but seems like he maybe wasn’t the greatest at Maddon’s strengths, and those are a bigger deal. 

Best, Tito Francona, Worst no not really. 

[Pancake Bear]

Just now, Stradling said:

Best, Tito Francona, Worst no not really. 

Matheny?

[Stradling]

1 minute ago, Sean-Regan said:

Do you have a pick for both? I feel like Maddon is up there in clubhouse presence and motivating players. Less sold on his in game management. Ausmus made good in game decisions, IMO (others probably disagree), but seems like he maybe wasn’t the greatest at Maddon’s strengths, and those are a bigger deal. 

I liked how he managed the pen but most don’t. I did think he had too quick of a hook for starters.  But I felt like that was more of a front office thing.