Keynan Middleton and JC Ramírez

[Jeff Fletcher]

I keep reading different people in different threads either with questions or providing misinformation about these guys, so I started a thread (which I never do) so hopefully everyone will see and get caught up. 

JC is pitching tonight (6/24). His rehab assignment expires on Saturday (6/29), so at most he’ll have one more outing after tonight. He’s out of options so he’ll be in the majors by Sunday (6/30), barring a setback. I don’t know if he’s going to be a starter or reliever. 

Middleton had a setback in early May and is now significantly behind JC. Middleton is throwing off a mound but (as of a few days ago) had not faced hitters. Once he starts facing hitters, it’ll be at least 3-4 weeks before he’s active. But he’s in a holding pattern so I wouldn’t plan on any specific return for him till you read that he’s facing hitters. 

There ya go. 

[Docwaukee]

[Docwaukee]

JC tonight - 0.2 ip, 6 er

[HaloMilliVanilli]

Mid-season form.

[AngelsLakersFan]

It's a mistake to count on guys coming back from TJ. At best their level of effectiveness and their time tables are unpredictable.

[Docwaukee]

1 minute ago, AngelsLakersFan said:

It's a mistake to count on guys coming back from TJ. At best their level of effectiveness and their time tables are unpredictable.

they should push JC's timetable back a bit.  Whatever it is.  

he hasn't been even close to sharp yet.  

[Lhalo]

1 minute ago, Dochalo said:

they should push JC's timetable back a bit.  Whatever it is.  

he hasn't been even close to sharp yet.  

His rehab assignment expires on Saturday (6/29), so at most he’ll have one more outing after tonight. He’s out of options so he’ll be in the majors by Sunday (6/30), barring a setback

[Docwaukee]

2 minutes ago, Lhalo said:

His rehab assignment expires on Saturday (6/29), so at most he’ll have one more outing after tonight. He’s out of options so he’ll be in the majors by Sunday (6/30), barring a setback

setback.  

[Lhalo]

1 minute ago, Dochalo said:

setback.  

So a fake injury?

[failos]

So we should forget they ever existed.

[Ray McKigney]

1 hour ago, Dochalo said:

JC tonight - 0.2 ip, 6 er

He'll fit right in with the Angels pitching staff.

[Jason]

2 hours ago, Dochalo said:

JC tonight - 0.2 ip, 6 er

That's starter material 

[Jay]

2 hours ago, Dochalo said:

JC tonight - 0.2 ip, 6 er

He got a couple of guys out...

[Second Base]

2 hours ago, Dochalo said:

JC tonight - 0.2 ip, 6 er

So you're saying he's better than Cahill....

[Ray McKigney]

1 hour ago, Second Base said:

So you're saying he's better than Cahill....

And Harvey

[Angel Oracle]

Thanks a lot for NOTHING, Harvey and Cahill!

If you two did your freaking jobs this season. Ramirez and Middleton would have that much less pressure on them!

THANKS FOR NOTHING!!

[Stradling]

AO would you like to THANK them for something?  Anything?  

[red321]

13 hours ago, Lhalo said:

So a fake injury?

it's allowed them to keep Harvey on the shelf...

[Angel Oracle]

1 hour ago, Stradling said:

AO would you like to THANK them for something?  Anything?  

I want to be thank them for only being here this season.

[Blarg]

2 hours ago, Angel Oracle said:

Thanks a lot for NOTHING, Harvey and Cahill!

If you two did your freaking jobs this season. Ramirez and Middleton would have that much less pressure on them!

THANKS FOR NOTHING!!

Neither Cahill or Harvey have any bearing on Middleton or Ramirez. They are both recovering from UCL surgery from the year before. The timetable for their return to pitching was locked in when the surgeon made the incision. Since then it's all about getting back into pitching shape, it's on them to be ready, no one else. 

They are not. That's on them and their bodies own recovery. Cahill or Harvey are not standing over them telling them to hurry up. They have problems of their own that has landed the both of them in purgatory. 

Once cleared to pitch Ramirez had a contractual deadline to rejoin the 25 man roster. It was not accelerated by anyone, it was a fixed timeline determined by the medical staff and MLB.

Now, Ramirez can elect to stay in the minors to recover his lost control but that, again, is on him. The only thing the Angels can do at this point is to hide him in the bullpen or IL him with a "back strain" as many players seem to come down with that when they are sucking. See @Lou for details.

In the meantime take your OCD meds and regroup, you're spinning out of control, again. 

[Mark68]

It's Cahill's fault that JC couldn't get any minor leaguers out.

Don'tchaknow?

[Angel Oracle]

Ok, ok, my post was probably more directed at the frustration from the lack of starting pitching, and letting that frustrate me even more when seeing Ramirez and Middleton have probably perfectly normal setbacks from TJS comebacks.   

I will be ELATED when the rotation in some future season can actually average about 5 2/3 innings/start as a group.

[Jeff Fletcher]

2 hours ago, RBM said:

Thanks for this Jeff. I use the attached MLB.com link to reference team transactions and there is also a link to injury updates. The team/league does not keep it very current. Is there a better source? That is, besides you.

http://m.angels.mlb.com/ana/roster/transactions/

 

I think most of the fantasy sites keep a pretty good log of injury updates, basically by following the updates that the beat writers report. 

[KFan]

Are we sure JC is out of options?  According to Roster Resources he had one left coming into the season.

[Jeff Fletcher]

14 hours ago, RBM said:

Well, the MLB.com injury updates are terrible. Last update on Ramirez was on 5/20 and the last update on Middleton was on 6/13. You would think Major League Baseball would have a better system in place.

http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/fantasy/injuries/#team108

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