Lets fool the Yankees

[Vlad27Trout27]

As the title says " lets fool the Yankees", so the yankee's are trying to make room for Darvish, the most likely pieces that could be moved are Robertson ( 13 Mil) or Betance (5 Mil). Lets try and see if we can get both, if not try to get one. For 1 year of Robertson it should not cost much, for Betance's a prospect in the bottom 15 of the top 30 should do it.

Pros-

1. Both are lock down Closer with stop to come out eailer if needed to. 

2. Helps out the Bp

Cons

1. we lose a few lower prospects

2. add more money to payroll, but it looks like we are done

so now how are we tricking the Yankee's.

Simply we help them get Darvish but he's 32, out of his prime. He may have 1 or 2 more years but don't think he'll be worth the money. Now the interesting part, they already have big contracts and mostly like will spend big next free agencies, in 2 -3 years they will have to extend Judge, Servino and Sanchez while also having to deal with the raised price for the other players. I see trouble happening for them in 2-3 years.          

[Vegas Halo Fan]

My guess is that they are laying back to make a major run at Bryce Harper after the 2018 season.

[eligrba]

19 minutes ago, Vegas Halo Fan said:

My guess is that they are laying back to make a major run at Bryce Harper after the 2018 season.

That outfield would be amazing.

[Vlad27Trout27]

Most definitely, but if we can work out a trade with them we can also improve ourself.

1 hour ago, eligrba said:

That outfield would be amazing.

And injured prone.

[totdprods]

2 hours ago, eligrba said:

That outfield would be amazing.

19 minutes ago, Vlad27Trout27 said:

And injured prone.

And expensive as fuck, even with Judge pre-arb. ~$90m between two starting OF and one 4th OF in Ellsbury,

[Blarg]

Darvish is 31.

[Ohtaniland]

[Stradling]

He isn’t Dipoto, but he did sign Arod, Tex, CC and Elsbury.  All contracts he regretted or is currently regretting. 

[Ohtaniland]

8 minutes ago, Stradling said:

He isn’t Dipoto, but he did sign Arod, Tex, CC and Elsbury.  All contracts he regretted or is currently regretting. 

He’s been very successful as a GM. He has four championship rings and continually has his team in the playoffs. He did win a championship with Tex, ARod and CC. He will soon find a way to part with Ellsbury. He’s been a solid GM and Eppler was his understudy so that’s a good thing for us.

[JustATroutFan]

The jury is still out on Judge, Severino, and Sanchez. Especially Judge. I think he's more of a .260-.270 hitter at best with tons of power and walks but he ain't competing for a Triple Crown like Miggy did for many years. Severino was horrible in 2016, so we'll have to see if he can repeat his great 2017 season. Same applies with Sanchez.

I don't think Betances is a "lock down" relief pitcher/close, either. The last 2 years, he's been mediocre.

 

 

[Ohtaniland]

6 minutes ago, JustATroutFan said:

The jury is still out on Judge, Severino, and Sanchez. Especially Judge. I think he's more of a .260-.270 hitter at best with tons of power and walks but he ain't competing for a Triple Crown like Miggy did for many years. Severino was horrible in 2016, so we'll have to see if he can repeat his great 2017 season. Same applies with Sanchez.

I don't think Betances is a "lock down" relief pitcher/close, either. The last 2 years, he's been mediocre.

 

 

But you wouldn’t hesitate trading Maldonado, Calhoun and Richards for Judge, Sanchez and Severino right? Or any reliever we have for Betances. 

[JustATroutFan]

14 minutes ago, OHTANILAND said:

But you wouldn’t hesitate trading Maldonado, Calhoun and Richards for Judge, Sanchez and Severino right? Or any reliever we have for Betances. 

I think Judge, Sanchez, and Severino will all be really good for a long time. All super talented players. I just don't think Judge will be a .280+ average hitter again but he should still be darn good even if he isn't.

[Erstad Grit]

I like your idea but doubt Yankees would trade those pieces.

My guess is they would give Ellsburry away if someone ate a portion of his contract. Dodgers trying to do the same with Kemp. 

I do think we need another bullpen piece and not much is left on the FA market. Watson? Holland reportedly turned down 3 /52 so pass on him. 

[Angel Oracle]

17 hours ago, Blarg said:

Darvish is 31.

And stupid, if he thinks he's worth more than 4-5 years at $20 million/season.

[Angel Oracle]

Betances still gives up very few hits over the past two seasons, K'd about 1 and 2/3 batters per inning, and allowed only 8 HRs in his past 132 innings.

Only issue has been the BBs.  Get those down to even 4 per 9 innings, and he would be dominant again.   He's only 30 in March.

[nando714]

14 hours ago, Stradling said:

He isn’t Dipoto, but he did sign Arod, Tex, CC and Elsbury.  All contracts he regretted or is currently regretting. 

Arod CC and Tex brought them a World Series in 2009. Worth it iyam 

[Stradling]

2 hours ago, nando714 said:

Arod CC and Tex brought them a World Series in 2009. Worth it iyam 

Yes, they won him a World Series, but I stand by my comment that he regretted those contracts.  If the Angels won the World Series this year, and Albert had a big hit in the World Series, would we all say his contract wasn't regrettable?  Of course not.  

[Hubs]

We'd have to take Ellsbury to get Betances.

Robertson may be able to be had, but I doubt it.

 

[nando714]

2 hours ago, Stradling said:

Yes, they won him a World Series, but I stand by my comment that he regretted those contracts.  If the Angels won the World Series this year, and Albert had a big hit in the World Series, would we all say his contract wasn't regrettable?  Of course not.  

Yes

bc well it’s been 15 years in between playoff success 

would be worth it to me 

[Stradling]

Just now, nando714 said:

Yes

bc well it’s been 15 years in between playoff success 

would be worth it to me 

no disrespect, but you would not be "forgive and forget".  The very next time he hit into a double play, you would want him released and would bitch about him again.  Hell, he could get that key hit to win the game and the next game if he hit into a double play you would wonder why he was playing.  

[Ohtaniland]

2 hours ago, Stradling said:

no disrespect, but you would not be "forgive and forget".  The very next time he hit into a double play, you would want him released and would bitch about him again.  Hell, he could get that key hit to win the game and the next game if he hit into a double play you would wonder why he was playing.  

You mentioned ARod. The Yankees had the guts to tell him that he was done and paid him to stay home. They we’re able to fill his roster spot with a more productive player and made the playoffs. Albert’s contract coupled with his poor health will continue to stifle our offense because of the lack of lineup flexibility that comes with it.

[Ohtaniland]

3 hours ago, Stradling said:

Yes, they won him a World Series, but I stand by my comment that he regretted those contracts.  If the Angels won the World Series this year, and Albert had a big hit in the World Series, would we all say his contract wasn't regrettable?  Of course not.  

We should’ve already won 1-2 world championships with Pujols, Trout and Weaver. That ship sailed already. You surely don’t expect Albert to lead the way now. It’s not going to happen. 

[Stradling]

“Should’ve already won 1-2 championships”

I’ll tell the five teams that spend more annually that they are supposed to win a championship every year.  

 

[Stradling]

10 minutes ago, OHTANILAND said:

You mentioned ARod. The Yankees had the guts to tell me that he was done and paid him to stay home. They we’re able to fill his roster spot with a more productive player and made the playoffs. Albert’s contract coupled with his poor health will continue to stifle our offense because of the lack of lineup flexibility that comes with it.

Yes they released A-Rod years after embarrassing the team multiple times with PED suspensions and lying about it.  They released him a few months shy of his final season.  

[Revad]

How much is a world championship worth to the owners (aside from ego/bragging rights)?  I guess if over-spending on player salary gets an annual franchise value increase of between 9-13% you wouldn’t complain.  But to do that you need to be winning world series’ or be in the playoffs most years.  

https://www.forbes.com/teams/new-york-yankees/

As far as the embarrassment goes, hey, any publicity for your product, as long as you’re competitive, is good publicity.