Dipoto Vs Eppler (was it a good idea parting ways with J.D.?)

[stormngt]

Just now, LegendaryPujols#5 said:

Tell me about the pitching staff he had there in Seattle. Losing the pitching staff is a good excuse to the fans for not getting there.

It's a dumbass post because:

1.  injuries to entire pitching staff.  To compare the Angels injuries to Seattle's is like saying ISIS is a JV team.

2.  only a dumbass would take one season head to head match ups as a barometer to who is better.

[stormngt]

1 minute ago, LegendaryPujols#5 said:

and Dipoto never tried to trade him. so if Mie Trout is here today, we need to thank him as well. 

Yes Dipoto was a genius for keeping the best player in the game and one he inherited when he took the gm.  job.  what brilliant mind.

[LegendaryPujols#5]

2 hours ago, Blarg said:

Dipoto left the Angels with a bloated payroll, a stripped farm system, locked out of the international signings because of one bloated contract to a player that hasn't developed, little if anything of value in his four drafts, Hamilton still sucking up money to do hookers and blow in Texas along with no long term player value outside of Trout and Calhoun on the roster.

And Dipoto knew this before he quit. He knew he had nothing to work with for the next two years and ran from taking responsibility for the mess he left the Angels in. To say he was a better GM than Eppler by win totals completely ignores what long term damage he left behind.

you could be right, but at least he was a GM and let me tell you one more thing. If you are a doer you could make mistakes... if you are sitting in your office taking no risk, you have a very low percentage of doing something wrong. (I hope you guys understand what I mean) 

Edit: I heard Pujols, Hamilton and Wilson were Arte's decisions. 

[LegendaryPujols#5]

4 minutes ago, stormngt said:

Yes Dipoto was a genius for keeping the best player in the game and one he inherited when he took the gm.  job.  what brilliant mind.

I can't remember saying he was a genius but he was a GM that knew how to do the job

[LegendaryPujols#5]

7 minutes ago, stormngt said:

It's a dumbass post because:

1.  injuries to entire pitching staff.  To compare the Angels injuries to Seattle's is like saying ISIS is a JV team.

2.  only a dumbass would take one season head to head match ups as a barometer to who is better.

Only a dumbass would reply to a dumbass post posted by a dumbass poster!

[bloodbrother]

2 minutes ago, LegendaryPujols#5 said:

you could be right, but at least he was a GM and let me tell you one more thing. If you are a doer you could make mistakes... if you are sitting in your office taking no risk, you have a very low percentage of doing something wrong. (I hope you guys understand what I mean) 

Edit: I heard Pujols, Hamilton and Wilson were Arte's decisions. 

So, is this supposed to be a positive thing regarding Dipoto? He made the state of the team worse but since he made moves he deserves some kind of praise for it? That's not how being a GM works(if you want to keep your job as a GM, that is)

[Inside Pitch]

2 minutes ago, LegendaryPujols#5 said:

you could be right, but at least he was a GM and let me tell you one more thing. If you are a doer you could make mistakes... if you are sitting in your office taking no risk, you have a very low percentage of doing something wrong. (I hope you guys understand what I mean) 

Edit: I heard Pujols, Hamilton and Wilson were Arte's decisions. 

Reagins was a doer who took a risk when he traded for Vernon Wells, I guess we should be celebrating his willingness to make stupid moves rather than pointing out his stupidity.

You are faulting Eppler for having to work around the mess he inherited.   He's been anything but inactive, he's just been smart enough to limit making a bad situation worse.

[NJHalo]

7 minutes ago, LegendaryPujols#5 said:

you could be right, but at least he was a GM and let me tell you one more thing. If you are a doer you could make mistakes... if you are sitting in your office taking no risk, you have a very low percentage of doing something wrong. (I hope you guys understand what I mean) 

Edit: I heard Pujols, Hamilton and Wilson were Arte's decisions. 

Stop the presses!! I don't know where you are getting your inside info from, but if what you are saying about Arte getting involved is true, then I think that is worthy of it's own thread.

I'll let you start it 

[LegendaryPujols#5]

14 minutes ago, stormngt said:

6 minutes ago, bloodbrother said:

So, is this supposed to be a positive thing regarding Dipoto? He made the state of the team worse but since he made moves he deserves some kind of praise for it? That's not how being a GM works(if you want to keep your job as a GM, that is)

now tell me who wasn't exited when Pujols, Wilson and Hamilton were signed? 

[LegendaryPujols#5]

2 hours ago, Stradling said:

It's hard to argue with those facts and the sound reasoning demonstrated in LP5's post.  Very strong "evidence" @Oz27 would be proud.  

 

1 hour ago, Oz27 said:

I can't tell if this is ridiculing me for the bunt discussion or not, because I'd like to think my argument was marginally more intelligent.

If you guys have a better way to argue it, I will be happy to debate with you.

[Inside Pitch]

7 hours ago, cezero said:

it was just personality thing between fatty and dipoto when it came to day to day stuff.

blaming dipoto for anything related to talent acquisition or loss instead of moreno is like blaming the person pressing the button to start a ride at Disneyland for the quality of the ride. 

 

Agree on the first comment, those two never got along, period -- I disagree on the second.

There is no question the JD thought process impacted the farm system negatively in Anaheim.    We can blame Arte for Hamilton, and Pujols and whatever other roster moves people want to put on Moreno but the damage done to the farm system falls squarely on the JD front office -- the Baldoquin signing being the most glaring example.

JD came in and replaced all the people who had been a part of building what had been one of the better farm systems in MLB and the primary reason for the Angels run of success.   He attempted to alienate the MLB staff from the minor league staff and created a divide both in play-style and communication -- whatever he was trying to do by installing that wall between the MLB team and it's minor league processes it served little to no purpose.   

When it's all said and done I don't believe it's fair judge JD based on what happened in Anaheim, it's clear he had to deal with a meddlesome owner and a manager that wasn't on the same page, but at the same time I believe it's short sighted to ignore how poorly his staff managed the farm system.

[Guest]

I'm glad dipoto is gone. He was obviously toxic to the clubhouse.

[Blarg]

12 minutes ago, LegendaryPujols#5 said:

you could be right, but at least he was a GM and let me tell you one more thing. If you are a doer you could make mistakes... if you are sitting in your office taking no risk, you have a very low percentage of doing something wrong. (I hope you guys understand what I mean) 

Edit: I heard Pujols, Hamilton and Wilson were Arte's decisions. 

Last season over half of the 40 man roster was replaced by Eppler and not because he was just a do'er, it was because he had to. Dipoto left the roster in a shambles.

Maybe none of his is reaching you but teams are supposed to be built in 5+ year plans and Dipoto's plan disintegrated in less than four with no long term solutions in the minor leagues through drafts and selections from the Latin American leagues. 

It is not about one year win totals vs the next, it's about why there was no sustainable growth of the franchise rather than a short term burst of success then austerity. 

[LegendaryPujols#5]

2 minutes ago, failos said:

I'm glad dipoto is gone. He was obviously toxic to the clubhouse.

Mike Scioscia is because he needs to mind his business.

[Guest]

2 minutes ago, LegendaryPujols#5 said:

Mike Scioscia is because he needs to mind he's business.

I'll make sure to tell him that the next time we go golfing.

[LegendaryPujols#5]

Just now, failos said:

Ill be sure to tell him that next time we go golfing.

with that belly, Scioscia is not even able to play in a putting green!

[Guest]

2 minutes ago, LegendaryPujols#5 said:

with that belly, Scioscia is not even able to play in a putting green!

Very funny. I'm sure you'll last long on this site.

[Blarg]

You are creating a scapegoat argument rather than addressing  the main duties of the GM that Dipoto was responsible for.

6 minutes ago, LegendaryPujols#5 said:

Mike Scioscia is because he needs to mind his business.

 

[Inside Pitch]

4 minutes ago, LegendaryPujols#5 said:

Mike Scioscia is because he needs to mind his business.

And yet the players basically told Dipoto to mind his business.   Go figure.

[LegendaryPujols#5]

I still remember Scioscia messing 

2 minutes ago, Blarg said:

You are creating a scapegoat argument rather than addressing  the main duties of the GM that Dipoto was responsible for.

 

no, I don't! but it looks like what I brought in here is not good to compare Eppler and Dipoto

[NJHalo]

I think LP5 is really Chuck trying to stir up some traffic from poolside Texas.

[Tank]

I like how the original post in this thread assumes the rosters were identical and the p,Ayer performances were somehow controlled by the GM.

looking forward to your evaluation of Mathis v. Napoli.

[LegendaryPujols#5]

3 minutes ago, Inside Pitch said:

And yet the players basically told Dipoto to mind his business.   Go figure.

yes, I remember that but a manager interacts more with the players than the GM. and players like my man Pujols who have had great careers don't like it when they are decaying in some stats.

[LegendaryPujols#5]

1 minute ago, NJHalo said:

I think LP5 is really Chuck trying to stir up some traffic from poolside Texas.

I ain't that guy, I am even afraid I will need a Visa to get in here from January the 20th

[Angel Oracle]

36 minutes ago, LegendaryPujols#5 said:

you could be right, but at least he was a GM and let me tell you one more thing. If you are a doer you could make mistakes... if you are sitting in your office taking no risk, you have a very low percentage of doing something wrong. (I hope you guys understand what I mean) 

Edit: I heard Pujols, Hamilton and Wilson were Arte's decisions. 

The good thing though is, Arte seems to have learned his lesson (as long as not doing a 180 and not pursuing anyone anymore) and we have a GM who seems to be better at projecting talent than Dipeutered was.   More peanuts have become clean under Eppler's watch.  In a year's time, we hopefully will see what Eppler can do with payroll space made available by jettisoning the contracts of Hackilton and Escobar and others after 2017.