Officially eliminated

[Ohtaniland]

1 hour ago, Stradling said:

It shits all over your belief that you can't build a farm and spend money at the same time.  

The Yankees were able to move big contracts and get something good in return. That's just smart management. They had no problem writing A-Rod a bye bye check when he became useless. The Angels moved Hamilton and got nothing in return, they couldn't move Wilson and they're stuck with Pujols. That's bad management. But no worries, Arte has learned a lesson or two.

[Stradling]

1 hour ago, CALZONE said:

The Yankees were able to move big contracts and get something good in return. That's just smart management. They had no problem writing A-Rod a bye bye check when he became useless. The Angels moved Hamilton and got nothing in return, they couldn't move Wilson and they're stuck with Pujols. That's bad management. But no worries, Arte has learned a lesson or two.

So the Angels did the same with Hamilton as the Yanks did with Arod. Also if Arod was doing what Albert is doing he wouldn't have been released.  

[tdawg87]

You guys have seen each other naked haven't you

[Ohtaniland]

20 minutes ago, tdawg87 said:

You guys have seen each other naked haven't you

Almost. I said no.

[Ohtaniland]

47 minutes ago, Stradling said:

So the Angels did the same with Hamilton as the Yanks did with Arod. Also if Arod was doing what Albert is doing he wouldn't have been released.  

The Yankees are 10 games over .500 in the AL East division. 

How many Mike Trouts' do they have in their lineup? 

[Stradling]

7 minutes ago, CALZONE said:

The Yankees are 10 games over .500 in the AL East division. 

How many Mike Trouts' do they have in their lineup? 

That has literally nothing to do with my post.  

[fan_since79]

7 hours ago, CALZONE said:

Sanchez has been crazy good. The Yankees were written off two months ago. They're unexpectedly playing good baseball now and their future looks even better. 

Very small sample size, but just imagine if this Sanchez kid ends up as the best hitting catcher of all time.

I guess we'll have wait a few years to find out.

 

[Stradling]

If the Ysnkees weren't so stupid they would have called him up a few weeks earlier, they would be in the playoffs.  

[Vegas Halo Fan]

Come on, Strad. You know that this is the only stupid organization in baseball.

[tdawg87]

1 minute ago, Stradling said:

If the Ysnkees weren't so stupid they would have called him up a few weeks earlier, they would be in the playoffs.  

If the Angels weren't so stupid they wouldn't have signed Pujols and crippled the organization for years to come. Good thing Arte's finally learned his lesson.

[tdawg87]

Wait what just happened? I blacked out for a second. 

Why do I taste poutine?

[Stradling]

23 minutes ago, tdawg87 said:

Wait what just happened? I blacked out for a second. 

Why do I taste poutine?

You went full retard. 

[Ohtaniland]

54 minutes ago, Stradling said:

If the Ysnkees weren't so stupid they would have called him up a few weeks earlier, they would be in the playoffs.  

What a luxury that they didn't have to while our Angels on the other hand called up and played everybody but the stadium plumber.

[Ohtaniland]

53 minutes ago, tdawg87 said:

Wait what just happened? I blacked out for a second. 

Why do I taste poutine?

What's wrong with poutine? It's one of the best dishes that you can't find in socal. 

 

[Stradling]

8 minutes ago, CALZONE said:

What a luxury that they didn't have to while our Angels on the other hand called up and played everybody but the stadium plumber.

Yea the luxury of stupidity, pretty sweet.  How are you even typing since you've been fully erect upon the news of the Angels being eliminated?  

[Stradling]

If the Angels called up a player in late July and  he immediately dominated and the team missed the playoffs by a game or two the team would be ridiculed beyond belief.  Oh and someone would blame Albert.  

[Blarg]

Strad you are pushing your agenda to the point you're becoming a caricature . 

[Stradling]

6 minutes ago, Blarg said:

Strad you are pushing your agenda to the point you're becoming a caricature . 

Thanks.  I'm sure it's my agenda that's the real problem. 

[Ohtaniland]

1 hour ago, Stradling said:

Yea the luxury of stupidity, pretty sweet.  How are you even typing since you've been fully erect upon the news of the Angels being eliminated?  

Strad which one is you?

Fair weather fan? They jumped on the bandwagon in October of 2002 but swear they were fans in 1986 but don't quite remember the roster.

Casual fan? They can tell you all about Mike Trout but don't know that the Angels are in 4th place.

Homer fan? These fans no matter how pathetic their team is playing believe that their team is the greatest no matter what.

Diehard fan? These fans no matter what will drop everything to watch their team play and will follow them yearlong. 

 

[Ohtaniland]

38 minutes ago, hangin n wangin said:

I don't even get why it's worth arguing about. The Angels suck. Fact. Our farm sucks. Fact. Our future is questionable. Fact. Pujols is fat, slow, and overpaid. Fact. Who cares?

Post of the year consideration right there. 

[Stradling]

26 minutes ago, CALZONE said:

Strad which one is you?

Fair weathered fan? They jumped on the bandwagon in October of 2002 but swear they were fans in 1986 but don't quite remember the roster.

Casual fan? They can tell you all about Mike Trout but don't know that the Angels are in 4th place.

Homer fan? These fans no matter how pathetic their team is playing believe that their team is the greatest no matter what.

Diehard fan? These fans no matter what will drop everything to watch their team play and will follow them yearlong. 

 

None of the above, and yourself?

[Ohtaniland]

19 minutes ago, Stradling said:

None of the above, and yourself?

You know me, I get pissed and temporarily disown the team when they almost lose.

[Docwaukee]

14 hours ago, CALZONE said:

I said that Arte was not going to sign another high dollar left fielder because we already had one on the books. Arte also knew that we were not just another high dollar LF contact away from being competitive. He was right. 

It also looks like Arte is going to benefit from Mike Trout drawing 3M fans again this season. Mike Trout is like Disneyland to the fans. He makes the stadium the happiest place on earth no matter what the standings are. Arte is very fortunate to have the best player in baseball on his roster.

You were right that Arte wasn't going to spend money.  You are wrong if you think it was because he didn't think the team was good enough to spend on.  Unless of course you think he somehow anticipated that we would lose 4 of our top 5 starters. 

We operated under the same agenda though, regardless of him not shelling out cash.  We used future resources to supplement the major league club.  So in essence, we did spend.  Instead of losing two years of money spent on a couple of free agents, we lost two years of club control from players obtained in trade.  The players given up cost the team in future savings.  So if he thought the team wasn't worth spending on, why acquire Simmons or Escobar?  He'd have been better off just telling Eppler to stand pat.  

And for the record, I believe that if our rotation is healthy then we contend for a wild card spot.  Much like last year.  As a result, I think that a LFer and 2bman would have made a tremendous difference.  That and a couple of pen arms.  

It's true that Trout is his golden goose.  He doesn't have to take on debt to accomplish his goal - 3 million fans.  I think he wants to win, but he's clearly not willing to push things beyond a certain limit.  That's his choice.  

As for comping us to the Yankees, it's apples and oranges.  This year, next year, in the past, and in the future.  Going into the season, the Yankees had a farm system.  A few savvy moves and they have one of the best.  They also have the capacity to spend almost 100mil a season more on payroll.  In 2013, their payroll was 230mil.  Going into 2014, they spent 471 million in guaranteed money on players like Tanaka, Elllsbury, McCann, Beltran and then follow it up the next year by spending another 100mil on Headley and Andrew Miller. And they were still able to take on Aroldis Chapman and cut loose Arod.     

All we can hope for is that Eppler has brought to the halos the same general philosophy that the yankees have had the last few years.  Build the farm and spend where you need to in order to fill gaps.  For the halos, we can't spend like they do so it will have to be a considerably more thoughtful, but you have to spend something to fill those holes or you are going to have to cycle through ten years of being horrible every 13 years.  Spending the right way lengthens your window.  

 

 

[gurn67]

The only magic number I'm concerned with now is 16. The White Sox are currently 5 games ahead of the Angels and hold the 11th worst record. That combination of 16 White Sox wins and Angels losses should keep the Halos with a top 10 draft pick and the ability to sign one free agent who has received a qualifying offer. That is, if they decide to go that route. If you're going to suck as bad as they have this year, might as well make sure you finish in the bottom 10.

[Ohtaniland]

8 hours ago, Dochalo said:

You were right that Arte wasn't going to spend money.  You are wrong if you think it was because he didn't think the team was good enough to spend on.  Unless of course you think he somehow anticipated that we would lose 4 of our top 5 starters. 

We operated under the same agenda though, regardless of him not shelling out cash.  We used future resources to supplement the major league club.  So in essence, we did spend.  Instead of losing two years of money spent on a couple of free agents, we lost two years of club control from players obtained in trade.  The players given up cost the team in future savings.  So if he thought the team wasn't worth spending on, why acquire Simmons or Escobar?  He'd have been better off just telling Eppler to stand pat.  

And for the record, I believe that if our rotation is healthy then we contend for a wild card spot.  Much like last year.  As a result, I think that a LFer and 2bman would have made a tremendous difference.  That and a couple of pen arms.  

It's true that Trout is his golden goose.  He doesn't have to take on debt to accomplish his goal - 3 million fans.  I think he wants to win, but he's clearly not willing to push things beyond a certain limit.  That's his choice.  

As for comping us to the Yankees, it's apples and oranges.  This year, next year, in the past, and in the future.  Going into the season, the Yankees had a farm system.  A few savvy moves and they have one of the best.  They also have the capacity to spend almost 100mil a season more on payroll.  In 2013, their payroll was 230mil.  Going into 2014, they spent 471 million in guaranteed money on players like Tanaka, Elllsbury, McCann, Beltran and then follow it up the next year by spending another 100mil on Headley and Andrew Miller. And they were still able to take on Aroldis Chapman and cut loose Arod.     

All we can hope for is that Eppler has brought to the halos the same general philosophy that the yankees have had the last few years.  Build the farm and spend where you need to in order to fill gaps.  For the halos, we can't spend like they do so it will have to be a considerably more thoughtful, but you have to spend something to fill those holes or you are going to have to cycle through ten years of being horrible every 13 years.  Spending the right way lengthens your window.  

 

 

What I said was that Arte was not going to spend big on any high dollar contracts because he had been burned already by Hamilton, Wilson and Pujols. Those three signings to date have delivered him 3 losing playoff games. Millions spent.

Arte, like some peeps right here were gloating (overconfident) about how many championships we were going to get when we signed Albert, C J and then Josh. Zero so far.

The Angels were near the tax threshold and there wasn't one impact player that Arte could sign that would've keep him under the tax to make a difference. Arte was also focused on real estate during that same time frame. Arte was not going to add more expensive shit to the pile. As for pitching we had no idea what Heaney, Richards, Trop, Shoemaker, Skaggs, Weaver or Wilson were going to give us. It was a crapshoot.

No championships, no free land so Arte took off on his yacht and left a strict budget for Eppler to work around.