Mike Morin

[Troutstanding]

What happened to Mike Morin? His 2014 season was very promising with his fantastic array of changes ups. It seems to me he still has his stuff... What happened?

[tdawg87]

Basically, his "ridiculous" changeup became a gimmick pitch and hitters weren't falling for it. Couple that with a weak fastball and slider and you have 2015-2016 Mike Morin.

Not really sure how to fix it. Not sure if it can be fixed. He's just not very good.

[Docwaukee]

He doesn't have stuff.  His change up has become a scoutable pitch.  Telegraphed.  He slows his delivery.  His fastball is 90-93 w/o movement.  His slider is a show me pitch.  Been saying it for two years now.  He doesn't have the stuff.  Nor does alvarez.  Or Street.  Or Guerra.  Nor did Salas or Smith.  Valdez and Ramirez are the consummate recycled arm.  Great arms.  Both actually have a decent out pitch but neither can consistently throw meaningful strikes.  Each will probably put together a couple of solid major league seasons at some point, but who the hell knows when and you certainly can just throw those guys at the back of a pen and hope for the best.  

Our only true 'stuff' guy is Bedrosian.  You could pretty much replace everyone else with replacement level players and it wouldn't even be noticeable.  

[itsKnoppUitsme]

I'm not sure why Sosh keeps using him in high leverage situations!

[Angel Oracle]

Guerra has somehow put together a sub 1.00 WHIP, but how will he fare in 2017 with MLB having the off-season to make adjustments?

Ramirez' control has been by far better than it had been before he arrived here.   Can that continue in 2017?

Valdez' control has been very questionable since being called up.   The stuff is there.

I give up on Mo-Runs-In.   Straight fastballs is not how to be a MLB pitcher, son.

[JoJo26]

Come on guys! Scioscia knows what he's doing! Just look at all the former Halos that were sent away:

Frankie Rodriguez and his 400 plus saves

Mark Trumbomb and his 40 ding dongs

Maike Napoli and his 30

Kendrys Morales and his 50 the last 2 years

Jean Segura and his .316 BA

Blah Blah Blah....and how about that CLIFF PENNINGTON and his .201 average? Just keep playing him! Waaaaaay batter than that .260 hustler Giavatella!

Never mock THE MAD GENIUS....

[Billy_Ball]

1 hour ago, JoJo26 said:

Come on guys! Scioscia knows what he's doing! Just look at all the former Halos that were sent away:

Frankie Rodriguez and his 400 plus saves

Mark Trumbomb and his 40 ding dongs

Maike Napoli and his 30

Kendrys Morales and his 50 the last 2 years

Jean Segura and his .316 BA

Blah Blah Blah....and how about that CLIFF PENNINGTON and his .201 average? Just keep playing him! Waaaaaay batter than that .260 hustler Giavatella!

Never mock THE MAD GENIUS....

But, but, but....Mark Trumbo is only hitting .187 since the All Star break....

[Dick B Back]

5 hours ago, Billy_Ball said:

But, but, but....Mark Trumbo is only hitting .187 since the All Star break....

And besides, Mike didn't trade any of those folks so here we go again...

[Stradling]

6 hours ago, JoJo26 said:

Come on guys! Scioscia knows what he's doing! Just look at all the former Halos that were sent away:

Frankie Rodriguez and his 400 plus saves

Mark Trumbomb and his 40 ding dongs

Maike Napoli and his 30

Kendrys Morales and his 50 the last 2 years

Jean Segura and his .316 BA

Blah Blah Blah....and how about that CLIFF PENNINGTON and his .201 average? Just keep playing him! Waaaaaay batter than that .260 hustler Giavatella!

Never mock THE MAD GENIUS....

And of all those players Scioscia was probably involved in Napoli and Napoli alone.  But keep being "that guy" you excel at it. 

[Stradling]

5 hours ago, Billy_Ball said:

But, but, but....Mark Trumbo is only hitting .187 since the All Star break....

Of all those players only Napoli was really above replacement level for more than a season or two.  Frankie has certainly had his ups and downs. Trumbo has a lower WAR this year than CJ Cron, same with Morales.  But you know Sosh, mad genius, fat man, blah blah blah. 

[Dick B Back]

Speaking of Frankie, he just got his 40th save and is pitching well down the stretch for the Tigers as they try to get a WC spot.

[Angel Oracle]

It has been a rebirth year for K-Rod.   Doesn't hurt that the Tiggers are kicking butt the past few weeks to tie for the 2nd WC.

[ettin]

Personally I'm high on Morin I just think he's going through an adjustment period. Yes his fastball is a little flat but his changeup and slider are good offerings and the changeup in particular plays well off of the four-seam as it comes in at nearly the same vertical height across the plate (which makes hitters eyes light up and swing) but comes in 20 mph slower which makes them miss. Velocity is important of course but it isn't everything. Changing speeds is what Jered Weaver thrived off of for years so..... Maybe I'm too rosy on him but I think he will figure it out.

 

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/the-astros-chris-devenski-and-large-velocity-gaps/

[tdawg87]

Trumbo is literally the same hitter he's always been, except now he has the benefit of hitting in Little League stadiums 70% of the year.

[Stradling]

1 minute ago, tdawg87 said:

Trumbo is literally the same hitter he's always been, except now he has the benefit of hitting in Little League stadiums 70% of the year.

Yep, JoJo is "that guy".  Not sure I've ever read a positive post from him in the years he's been posting. 

[eaterfan]

5 minutes ago, tdawg87 said:

Trumbo is literally the same hitter he's always been, except now he has the benefit of hitting in Little League stadiums 70% of the year.

I thought this wasn't true. It is the second best year of his career but his BA and OBP are right in line with his career numbers. His slugging is up a lot and that's led to a decent increase in his OPS+. It seems like he's basically the same guy who has benefited int he HR department from moving to a new division. 

[Guest]

He's always sucked, and he will continue to suck. 

[Angel Oracle]

I hope Ettin is right about the change up and 4 seam playing well off one another.

Admittedly in the one game on the  road trip and last night, he was victimized by bad defense and bloop hits.   But that also says that he needs to get a lot better at putting batters away with the K.

[Glen]

Morin never got a brain.

[disarcina]

IMO Morin was a fireballer who had a solid fastball but in subsequent years had difficulty mastering his slider and change up and then couldn't throw them for strikes.

he may have lost some velocity as well which would really impact his second and third pitches -- but not sure if that's the case.

anyway, has reached the promise this year that he showed flashes of in prior two years.

 

[Angel Oracle]

Bump after yet another bad relief outing