Gott sent down to AAA

[Erstad Grit]

Wow. 

 

Eppler may have stolen one on that deal. 

[Docwaukee]

for a guy that throws as hard as he does, there just isn't enough swing and miss in his repertoire.  Not saying he can't find success, but it's gonna be more challenging for sure.  

[NrM]

for a guy that throws as hard as he does, there just isn't enough swing and miss in his repertoire.  Not saying he can't find success, but it's gonna be more challenging for sure.  

What do you think of Bedrosian after this spring?

 

His K/BB ratio was great.

 

Spring: 17/3 k/bb

2015:  20/12 k/bb

2014:  34/19 k/bb

Edited April 2, 2016 by Mr. Meeseeks

[Lou]

hangin n wangin, on 11 Mar 2016 - 6:26 PM, said:

I don't know. But what I do know is I wouldn't of traded Gott for Escobar.

[Lou]

What do you think of Bedrosian after this spring?

 

His K/BB ratio was great.

 

Spring: 17/3 k/bb

2015:  20/12 k/bb

2014:  34/19 k/bb

I think he walks 3 batters in his first regular season appearance, including the very first batter he faces

[Docwaukee]

What do you think of Bedrosian after this spring?

 

His K/BB ratio was great.

 

Spring: 17/3 k/bb

2015:  20/12 k/bb

2014:  34/19 k/bb

I am on record as noting that he scares the crap out of me.  

 

An reliever who allows a lot of base runners is asking for trouble. 

[Angel Oracle]

This ST was different for Bedrock Jr.

But let's see if he can maintain that when the regular season starts.

And what Doc said about scaring...+1.

Edited April 2, 2016 by Angel Oracle

[JarsOfClay]

 

hangin n wangin, on 11 Mar 2016 - 6:26 PM, said:

I don't know. But what I do know is I wouldn't of traded Gott for Escobar.

 

 

I still wouldnt trade Gott for Escobar.   Escobar = old and in decline, Gott = young and room for improvement.

[Angel Oracle]

I wouldn't say that Escobar is in real decline.

The OBP is still solid. The concern is how he adapts further at 3B. Fortunately he has the human vacuum cleaner with great range playing next to him.

[Stradling]

I still wouldnt trade Gott for Escobar. Escobar = old and in decline, Gott = young and room for improvement.

How can you logically say he's in decline? He had three straight seasons of hitting about .255 with a good OBP. Last year he hit .314 with a great OBP. Explain to me how that is in decline? Gott is young and he throws hard, that's about it.

I will go on record and say Bedrosian will have a better career than Gott.

[Angel Oracle]

Gott so far looks like another Billy Koch, throws hard but straight with no real secondary pitches.

At least Bedrock Jr. has the slider to go with the heater.

[Stradling]

I don't know what Gott will develop in to. He just as easily can be the next Frieri as he could be the next serviceable 7th or 8th inning guy. If people hate the trade because they hate giving up young players for older players that are defensively poor I get it. However I would hope that just about everyone can see how Escobar is more valuable to this team at the top of the line up than Gott would be in the pen.

[greginpsca]

I think this season is a "Shit or get off the pot " time for Bedrosian.  If he has another year similar to his last 2 years of opportunities with the Angels, the team more than likely move on from him.

[Blarg]

He's 23 years old. You don't dump guys that age because they aren't instant successes.

[Angel Oracle]

As long as he doesn't take as long as Jepsen took to become solid, it's fine.

[Second Base]

I liked Gott, but relievers have such a short lifespan in the majors. Landing our stating 3B for the next two years at a relatively cheap price in return for one sophomore reliever was worth it.

As for Bedrock, I'm going to wait and see. I liked his Spring, and I like his stuff, and I think before the end of the year he'll have figured it out in the majors and will be devastatingly effective. I don't know if that's April or if it's August, but I do think it's happening this year.

[Angelfaninidaho]

I still wouldnt trade Gott for Escobar.   Escobar = old and in decline, Gott = young and room for improvement.

 

An everyday 3rd baseman who was the second best offensive player on the Nationals last year and hasn't struck out in 19 games this Spring and is batting .456/.500/.561/1.061 for a guy who would give us 1 or 2 innings every 3 games?  

 

The fan obsession with potential over reality in baseball is bizarre.

[totdprods]

There's so much more to Escobar than just stats too.

He's a guy who obviously does well at the top of the lineup, and we haven't had a clear #1-2 hitter in ages. If he slumps, he's totally fine at the bottom of the lineup too.

Also important is versatility. I know we're committed to him at third but if late in the season Johnny G has fallen apart and one of Kubitza/Cowart/Marte are tearing it up, it's a switch that can be considered.

And another big things is Simmons insurance. Say disaster strikes and he has bigger issues with his arm and misses significant time. Like TJS level stuff. Escobar can slide back into short over that timeframe.

David Freese was very one-dimensional in comparison. Trevor Gott is replaceable.

Plus he's affordable, controllable for a couple seasons. Great trade.

[Redondo]

 However I would hope that just about everyone can see how Escobar is more valuable to this team at the top of the line up than Gott would be in the pen.

 

Agree. having a legit lead off hitter to set the table for Trout will have a big impact on the offense this year.

[Blarg]

Tot if Giavotella breaks down Pennington will take his position, the Angels are not shifting Escobar to 2nd base.

Giavotella is not going to have trouble keeping his job, you guys need to see how he is playing now and come to grips he us a much improved defender.

[totdprods]

Tot if Giavotella breaks down Pennington will take his position, the Angels are not shifting Escobar to 2nd base.

Giavotella is not going to have trouble keeping his job, you guys need to see how he is playing now and come to grips he us a much improved defender.

I'm a big Giavotella fan so I'm not expecting it to happen. And yeah, I agree that Pennington would be first in line. Just simply stating that Escobar feasibly could play second whereas Freese couldn't. Point is even if Escobar isn't as good offensively as he was last year he still offers a lot more than Freese did, and the cost for that was a replaceable reliever.

[JarsOfClay]

I don't know what Gott will develop in to. He just as easily can be the next Frieri as he could be the next serviceable 7th or 8th inning guy. If people hate the trade because they hate giving up young players for older players that are defensively poor I get it. However I would hope that just about everyone can see how Escobar is more valuable to this team at the top of the line up than Gott would be in the pen.

 

Relievers who throw 95+ dont grow on trees, and he had pretty good control to boot.  I understand Escobar is valuable at the top of the lineup but he's at the age where typical decline starts for these players, and spring training stats dont prove otherwise(Angelfaninidaho).  He might be the exception this year or even next but history says otherwise.

 

I guess I wouldnt mind the trade so much if we had a good DECENT core of prospects ready to fill in if needed, but we dont and this team should be trying to get a younger core ready, not patching the team with guys who are 35 years old.   That's the main reason I had issue with that trade.  

[Blarg]

Actually the minor leagues are littered with guys throwing mid nineties but velocity is meaningless in MLB.

[bloodbrother]

Actually the minor leagues are littered with guys throwing mid nineties but velocity is meaningless in MLB.

 

No it's not.

[Blarg]

Yes it is. A flat fastball is batting practice. Gott had no secondary pitch, why do you think he was sent back to AAA?