Bernie's free college idea

[Make Angels Great Again]

Look at it from the consumer's point of view, you don't get insurance to cover your runny nose.

 

I'm not sure if a free market with the insurance industry would work out so well. I could see the insurance companies trying to dodge out of the way of so many charges "sorry, we don't cover that."

[nate]

Yes but if you are a 20 year old male, you also don't get health insurance to cover a prostate exam.  You don't get insurance to cover a mammogram, etc.

[Make Angels Great Again]

In the end, does it change the negotiating power of insurance companies? In effect lowering prices for the patient?

 

Everyone would still have coverage in the end. What's stopping them from charging so much?

[nate]

The government is saying that insurance has to pay for it so doctors charge as much as they want with no recourse.  Especially since most doctors now are part of medical groups which further increases their negotiating power.

 

Think of it this way, you are a healthy person in your early 20s, and you have the choice between a plan with a low rate but it only allows one free office visit a year, doesn't cover mental health, other than an exam, and only covers generic meds, etc and it costs you $50 a month.  Your other option is a plan that covers 5 free visits a year and 28 mental health exams a year but costs $450 a month and name brand RX at a 15$ copay, which would you pick?

 

Guess what that $50 plan doesn't exist anymore because it is illegal.

[Adam]

the government is such a cancer

[Make Angels Great Again]

Then the government needs to do a better job of regulating hospitals if this is the path they take.

 

I still believe a single payer system would be better because it cuts out a lot of wasted money, no offense.

[Make Angels Great Again]

You do realize Sanders policies are the worst for people making 50-120K which seems to be your exact situation?

 

 

I like how I haven't heard the follow up to this.

[nate]

Then the government needs to do a better job of regulating hospitals if this is the path they take.

 

I still believe a single payer system would be better because it cuts out a lot of wasted money, no offense.

 

You think the government would do a better job than a company that has to answer to stock holders?

 

What has the government ever done that didn't include a ton of waste?

 

It isn't like a single payer system is free, it comes at a gigantic cost to tax payers.

[Jay]

Obviously if that's all true then it's a screwed up system.

 

More reason to change it.

 

But it's the system that Bernie and all the Democrats put in place.

[Crampknees]

But it's the system that Bernie and all the Democrats put in place.

Ba Ba Da Da Da Ta Da Da Da Beep Beep, we have a winner

[ABC]

You are doing the same thing Bernie does, AJ.  The characterization of rich people as these people who cheat the system is BS.  Most of the 1% pay their taxes, live upstanding lives, etc.  It is slanderous to say what you are saying.  The biggest cop out of all is how people are blaming the rich for their problems.

 

Remember how Hitler blamed the Jews for the financial issues in Germany?  The people he pointed to were the Jewish elite.

 

Slanderous? Hitler?

 

Jesus man.

[Stradling]

nate doesn't believe in Jesus

[Make Angels Great Again]

But it's the system that Bernie and all the Democrats put in place.

It isn't Bernie's ideal plan.

[nate]

You don't think Sanders is making defamatory statements toward the rich?

 

Slanderous? Hitler?

 

Jesus man.

[ABC]

But it's the system that Bernie and all the Democrats put in place.

 

Sure. The Cons allowed the Libs to build the program exactly as they wanted. The Cons had no hand in forcing policies that screwed with the structure.

 

It could be worse right now or it could be better but everyone built what we now have. 

[Stradling]

We are putting way too much time and effort into all of this. There is zero chance that if Bernie gets elected any of this actually gets through congress.

[Make Angels Great Again]

You think the government would do a better job than a company that has to answer to stock holders?

What has the government ever done that didn't include a ton of waste?

It isn't like a single payer system is free, it comes at a gigantic cost to tax payers.

You say that like a company that answers to stock holders actually benefits everyone else.

[nate]

It is unless you are a fan of wasting money

[Crampknees]

We are putting way too much time and effort into all of this. There is zero chance that if Bernie gets elected any of this actually gets through congress.

yup.  Bernie is sounding like the mad scientist uncle of Trump.  It isn't happening but there are some things needing changed with the costs of education.  

[Stradling]

Yea CF8, you can say that, but better for whom? There is no way you can create a system that keeps all people happy. The politics is what is broken.

[ABC]

nate doesn't believe in Jesus

 

figures

[Stradling]

figures

It was meant in jest, but it is true, not that that has any impact on his position on this at all.

[ABC]

Yea CF8, you can say that, but better for whom? There is no way you can create a system that keeps all people happy. The politics is what is broken.

 

But you can built a system that is better than another.

[ABC]

It was meant in jest, but it is true, not that that has any impact on his position on this at all.

 

i know

[Stradling]

But you can built a system that is better than another.

I am selfish and feel I already give enough money to the government each year, so it still comes down to better for whom. Now if we want to start all over and make the government properly manage the money they already get, that's fine.