Arte Moreno and having a true leader as GM and scouting/development budget

[full circle]

It is his kitchen.

Too bad he can't cook.

[Stradling]

You have got to be kidding me.

Name even ONE MLB owner in the past 50 years who knew even as much about baseball as the people below him?

None, but he still owns the kitchen, and no title given will change that.

[Ohtaniland]

None, but he still owns the kitchen, and no title given will change that.

Yep the Head Chef Arte cooked up some Pujols ala Hamilton and allowed his Head Waiter Dipoto to get Chopped.

[red321]

 

 

And about every FO employee wearing the same red Halos polo shirt...

What are we, a prep school?

 

3 weeks...and that is what you came up with?

 

I think you need a minor league rehab assignment to get back on your game

[Angel Oracle]

Then if Moreno will never change, I quit this franchise until he sells it.

At least run the franchise like it should be run, with smarts, building a farm through a REAL scouting/development budget, and making strategic trades involving prospects and not hoarding every single one of them.

If he would let that happen, I can handle two rebuilding seasons to create strong momentum in how things are run.

[Angel Oracle]

3 weeks...and that is what you came up with?

I think you need a minor league rehab assignment to get back on your game

Hey, it worked in the Alec Baldwin Capital One commercial.

[Stradling]

Then if Moreno will never change, I quit this franchise until he sells it.

At least run the franchise like it should be run, with smarts, building a farm through a REAL scouting/development budget, and making strategic trades involving prospects and not hoarding every single one of them.

If he would let that happen, I can handle two rebuilding seasons to create strong momentum in how things are run.

No you won't AO, you're addicted like the rest of us bums. If it was that easy none of us would be here after a game like this. But Arte has already backed off, Hamilton was three years ago now.

[Angel Oracle]

Regardless of what their titles are, if Arte chooses to interfere he will interfere, it's one of the many perks of owning something.

It seems like the Giants and Cards owners refrain from it, and look at the results.

[Stradling]

It seems like the Giants and Cards owners refrain from it, and look at the results.

Oh AO, I'm not disagreeing with you that it's for the best.

[Angel Oracle]

Just once, I'd like to have a good Halos owner.

Gene Autry will always be revered for bringing us a franchise in 1961. But he truly did not ever have a long term plan.

Disney was in it for just a marketing tool.

Moreno seems to be the same old thing as Disney.

[QuinlansMinion]

Disney was the best owner this team ever hard.  I wouldnt mind them owning the team again.  

[Guest]

It is his kitchen.

 

To the extent he bought the team at full market value and has maintained the team and the facilities without any government assistance (or government subsidized below-market rent) I agree completely. 

[Stradling]

Q, give me a break.

[Angel Oracle]

That is fine. His making decisions, instead of trusting people he hired to do so, is not so fine.

[Stradling]

Just once, I'd like to have a good Halos owner.

Gene Autry will always be revered for bringing us a franchise in 1961. But he truly did not ever have a long term plan.

Disney was in it for just a marketing tool.

Moreno seems to be the same old thing as Disney.

AO, what makes you think Arte hasn't learned his lesson? What has he done in the last two years?

[QuinlansMinion]

Q, give me a break.

They brought us a World Series so why not.  

[Stradling]

Scioscia is the best manager the Angels have ever had.

Spezio is the best first baseman the Angels have ever had.

Erstad is the best centerfielder the Angels have ever had.

Brad Fulmer is the best DH the Angels have ever had.

[tennischmp]

But Arte has already backed off, Hamilton was three years ago now.

No he hasn't. If he had, Dipoto would have fired Scioscia a long time ago

Edited August 27, 2015 by tennischmp

[Stradling]

No he hasn't. If he had, Dipoto would have fired Scioscia a long time ago

While I agree it's pure speculation.

[ettin]

Are you enjoying one of your 29 other favorite teams winning tonight?

 

BURN!!!!!

 

[tennischmp]

While I agree it's pure speculation.

Of course it's speculation and maybe a long time ago is a little obtuse but it's safe to say if Arte had backed off, after that last dust up between Scioscia and Dipoto, Scioscia would have been the one resigning.

[Angel Oracle]

Simply put, Moreno has baseball hierarchy all screwed up.

The owner hires the person right below him to run things, and leaves him along to do so and expects the manager to only give ideas but NOT to do the GM's or director's job.

It may be his kitchen. That doesn't mean he knows the best way to maintain that kitchen. His GM and/or director will.

Edited August 27, 2015 by Angel Oracle

[Inside Pitch]

Claude, if Sosh wasn't here would you still feel like they need an executive position above the GM?

 

That's become the new norm -- someone that sits above on field and front office types and is a direct buffer to ownership.  A person could argue that due to Moreno's strong tendency to meddle -- the Angels need that more than anyone else.  

[greginpsca]

Scioscia is the best manager the Angels have ever had.

Spezio is the best first baseman the Angels have ever had.

Erstad is the best centerfielder the Angels have ever had.

Brad Fulmer is the best DH the Angels have ever had.

Huh?

[Stradling]

Using QM's logic that Disney is the best owner because they brought us the only championship in team history.