18 Kids, 1 Child Molester, and Counting.

[Glen]

So then you must believe that all 15 year olds should be considered adults when it comes to crimes.  Fair enough.

 

 

Holy slippery slopes and horrible extrapolations, Batman!  I never said anything close to that.  I think most crimes should be a case-by-case basis and that one size doesn't always fit all.  However, there are some baseline assumptions that generally fit.  If this case had come to a trial we would have had a lot more information and thus could have made a better judgement.  I do stand by what I said before, though, that most - say, at least 95% - 15-year-olds will know that molesting is bad, and molesting family members is bad.  

[mtangelsfan]

Holy slippery slopes and horrible extrapolations, Batman!  I never said anything close to that.  I think most crimes should be a case-by-case basis and that one size doesn't always fit all.  However, there are some baseline assumptions that generally fit.  If this case had come to a trial we would have had a lot more information and thus could have made a better judgement.  I do stand by what I said before, though, that most - say, at least 95% - 15-year-olds will know that molesting is bad, and molesting family members is bad.  

 

I'm sorry, I'm trying to understand what your argument here is.  I know I'm not making an argument that he "didn't know that he was doing was wrong".  That is silly.

 

Most kids who commit crimes know what they are doing is wrong.  In fact most kids who commit crimes know that they could go to jail for what they did.

 

However, in this country we have made a distinction that when a child commits a crime, it is handled differently.  

 

I think that a baseline would say that most kids 10 and over know that killing somebody is wrong.  Most kids know that stealing is wrong.  However, unless proven to be mature for their age I still believe that kids should be handled way differently.

 

Don't you?

[Kevin]

Make Duggar wear a shirt that says "God hates sister diddling" and that can make up for some of the crap he's caused.

[Mark68]

awesome, the duggars = the holocaust.

 

brilliant.  That is Fox News quality hyperbole man.

 

Well done

I actually wasn't going there, I was commenting about how the word "mistake" can be used to minimize the impact of heinous crimes.

 

But since YOU brought it up, I'll bite.

 

What is the difference between the FRC, which is a hate group, that actively campaigns for discrimination against a certain identifiable group, and is instumental in the drafting of the "Kill the Gays" bill in Uganda, and the Nazis, a hate group that actively campaigned for discrimination against certain identifiable groups, and was instrumental in the killing of millions of people, including Jews, gypsies, and homosexuals?

 

Some can argue that the only difference is one of scale.

[mtangelsfan]

I actually wasn't going there, I was commenting about how the word "mistake" can be used to minimize the impact of heinous crimes.

 

But since YOU brought it up, I'll bite.

 

What is the difference between the FRC, which is a hate group, that actively campaigns for discrimination against a certain identifiable group, and is instumental in the drafting of the "Kill the Gays" bill in Uganda, and the Nazis, a hate group that actively campaigned for discrimination against certain identifiable groups, and was instrumental in the killing of millions of people, including Jews, gypsies, and homosexuals?

 

Some can argue that the only difference is one of scale.

 

You went there  and that is one big frickin' scale.

 

I'm sure the jews would love the comparison.

[Mark68]

Yes, the scale is huge. It's not hard to imagine how small-scale hatred could lead to systematic genocide, however.

 

In the aftermath of World War I, the National Socialist German Workers' Party had membership numbering in the dozens that was limited to the state  of Bavaria (really to the city of Munich). Then, they were joined by a charismatic and organized former corporal who led them to control Europe's strongest nation within a decade and a half.

 

It may be a large scale from a small group (albeit with significant political influence) to a party in control of the military, political, and industrial apparatus of an entire nation, all it takes is the modern day equivalent of Hitler.

 

As Sinclair Lewis said at the time, "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying the cross." This could still happen eighty years later.

[TobiasFunke]

I'm still laughing at the term "sister diddling"

[nate]

Molesting a child is just one very small step below murder.  The people that experience it rarely ever recover.  It is an even smaller chance of recovering when it is a family member.

 

This isn't just a "mistake."  It is a grievous act that was covered up and not properly dealt with.  Anyone that claims to have morals should be able to see that.

[HaloMagic]

I'm still laughing at the term "sister diddling"

I typed in the phrase as it was juggling through my head causing me to laugh. I wanted to find a way to include it. When I typed my post out and hit submit I was pissed to see the post above mine had the phrase in it. Came up with it completely independently but was just a little too late.

[HeavenlyHalos]

I'm still laughing at the term "sister diddling"

 

Any relation to Bo Diddley?

[HeavenlyHalos]

12 pages on a topic that should have had a "F**k that guy" consensus. I love angelswin.

[Lou]

while i agree that it sucks his juvenile record was made public,

i can't bring myself to think anything but " that's f***ing great, you

big piece of sh*t"

 

and, yes, i am a man of faith

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

(but not a lefty)

[mtangelsfan]

too bad the catholic church doesn't feel the same way about its own.

[Lou]

??

 

what does that have to do with it?

[HaloMagic]

He's just saying they got a lot of Duggers. That's all.

[HaloMagic]

Actually, they're more like Hasterts.

[mtangelsfan]

??

 

what does that have to do with it?

 

just don't remember seeing many comments from you like the one above when it was hundreds of priests doing the diddling while the entire institution worked to cover it up.

[HaloMagic]

Maybe he's cool with diddling but incest is where he draws the line.

[HaloMagic]

Besides the Church itself, has anyone actually defended priests touching little kids? It's not like Lou is in favor of that. I've never heard him mention it and yet still I can promise that he's not in favor of it.

[the dude abides]

Christianity: Religion of love.

[mtangelsfan]

.0004% of believers.

 

but have at it DBA.

 

again I ask who the hater is.

[mtangelsfan]

Besides the Church itself, has anyone actually defended priests touching little kids? It's not like Lou is in favor of that. I've never heard him mention it and yet still I can promise that he's not in favor of it.

 

I'm talking about the celebratory tone of his post.

 

Of course he isn't in favor of it. 

[the dude abides]

.0004% of believers.

 

but have at it DBA.

 

again I ask who the hater is.

 

Next time someone brings up "Islam: Religion of peace", I'll be sure to alert you so you can post similar stats. 

[mtangelsfan]

Next time someone brings up "Islam: Religion of peace", I'll be sure to alert you so you can post similar stats. 

 

 

You are having the same scale issue as that other guy talking about the Holocaust.  You are being completely ridiculous right now.

 

Are you really going to make comparisons?  IS doesn't need to cover up all of their atrocities because nobody seems to care.  But if you want to take what one 15 year old did vs. what hundreds of thousands Muslims are doing have at it.  You just make yourself look that much more illogical.

 

The truly funny part of your posts is that you defend Islam but get as giddy as a school girl when a Christian does something wrong so you can run down the entire religion.

[the dude abides]

Uh, no.  This goes way beyond the little FRC hatemonger as you even pointed out in your response to Lou.

 

Also, please show me where I defend Islam.  I'd love to see it.