Mike Trout

[GalericX]

Angels with a superstar.... love it.

[Second Base]

I think Trout returns to the norm, his norm. Offensively, last year was a down season. I think

He cuts down on the K's, raises the BA/OBP, HR's remain relatively consistent and he returns to stealing more bases.

.310/.410 35 DB's 30 HR's 25 SB and leads the league in runs and RBI's.

He'll win his second consecutive MVP (should be his 4th).

[Angel Oracle]

Meh, Trout only hit two HRs yesterday.

[Angel Oracle]

I think Trout returns to the norm, his norm. Offensively, last year was a down season. I think

He cuts down on the K's, raises the BA/OBP, HR's remain relatively consistent and he returns to stealing more bases.

.310/.410 35 DB's 30 HR's 25 SB and leads the league in runs and RBI's.

He'll win his second consecutive MVP (should be his 4th).

Really it (should be his 3rd), can't deny what Cabrera did in 2012 (first Triple Crown in 45 years). 

[ItzTacosYerrp]

Really it (should be his 3rd), can't deny what Cabrera did in 2012 (first Triple Crown in 45 years).

Nah bro, check the WAR!

[Kenny]

Meh, Trout only hit two HRs yesterday.

He still hasn't lost his winter weight.

[Troutstanding]

Really it (should be his 3rd), can't deny what Cabrera did in 2012 (first Triple Crown in 45 years). 

Everyone has hashed this out over and over but "triple crown" is an arbitrary collecition of somewhat poor indictators of overall value. Trout's 2012 was clearly more valuable than Cabrera's, BA/HR/RBIs or no.

[shellback]

not trying to stir shit- is it a good idea for trout to increase the sb total? considering how beat up sb's get you?

[ScottT]

It is absolutely a good idea.  He isn't going to rack up 100-150 stolen base attempts.  He's not 37.  He's great at stealing bases and with run scoring down in recent years, it has become even more of a weapon.  

[Troll Daddy]

I like Trout's new aggressive approach ... swinging at the first pitch.

[QuinlansMinion]

Everyone has hashed this out over and over but "triple crown" is an arbitrary collecition of somewhat poor indictators of overall value. Trout's 2012 was clearly more valuable than Cabrera's, BA/HR/RBIs or no.

Beating a dead horse but I feel like Cabrera deserved that triple crown MVP.  Yeah the war and the defensive metrics and all that stuff, but leading the league in batting and homers not to mention RBI is pretty dang hard to do, especially for a guy in Comerica.

 

Trout should have 2 MVPs though right now.

[tdawg87]

Comerica is a hitter's park btw, but yeah I had no problem with Cabrera winning the MVP that year.

 

I look at it like this: It would have been more of a slight to the Triple Crown winner not winning the MVP than it was for Trout not winning it. I also think it had a lot to do with Detroit making the playoffs and the Angels missing them.

[ten ocho recon scout]

Really it (should be his 3rd), can't deny what Cabrera did in 2012 (first Triple Crown in 45 years).

i disagree AO. If anything i give cabrerra the nod at 2013, but 12 should have been trout.

Triple crown is cool because weve been brought up to say its cool (and it is). And i get that its a total rarity.

But who says avg is more important than obp? (Trout led in obp). Who says rbi are more important than runs scored? (Trout led in runs). Obviously the home runs favor mcab, but it was something like 7 more, with a month more games in a better hitters park.

After hittting, mcab was a liability on the bases with his speed, and was below average with his fielding. Exact opposite of troit that year.

Trout shouldve been it that year. But old school baseball heads werent about to let sabr arguments win over a sacred cow like the triple crown

[bloodbrother]

If only Trout wasn't CS by Jesus Montero of all people in that last series against Seattle. He would have accomplished a 30 HR, 50 SB season...something that has only been done twice before in history. Still wouldn't have won MVP even though that accomplishment is more rare than a Triple Crown winner

[Troutstanding]

If Josh Hamilton had hit one more home run, Cabrera wouldn't have achieved the Triple Crown. Tell me, what does one Josh Hamilton home run have to do with the value difference between 2012 Trout and Cabrera?

[Jeff Fletcher]

I actually would have voted for Trout in 2012 (I didn't have a vote) but I did vote for Cabrera in 2013.

http://m.ocregister.com/angels/cabrera-537044-trout-miguel.html

[Hollyw00d]

Two week ban

[Docwaukee]

Everyone has hashed this out over and over but "triple crown" is an arbitrary collecition of somewhat poor indictators of overall value. Trout's 2012 was clearly more valuable than Cabrera's, BA/HR/RBIs or no.

It's arbitrary, but it's the first time that a triple crown winner didn't lead the league in WAR.  By and large, it was by quite a bit.  

 

Cabrera won the next year pretty handily as well without the triple crown and Trout still beat him in overall value.  

 

not only are certain stats arbitrary, but the criteria for MVP changes every year.  

 

Trout will get a few more MVPs.  

[Angel Oracle]

All of that aside, are we in agreement that Trout's first 3 seasons are the best first 3 seasons in MLB history?

For instance, Trout's cumulative OPS+ for those 3 seasons was about 100 greater than Pay-Rod's first 3 seasons, and he had more steals and less CSs than Pay-Rod.

Edited March 19, 2015 by Angel Oracle

[Angelsjunky]

Cabrera was actually better in his non-Triple Crown 2013 than in 2012.

 

Anyhow, this is another reason why I think MVP should be split into a Best Hitter award and a Best Overall Player award. Maybe in 20 years they'll be called the Miguel Cabrera Award and Mike Trout Award.

[Angelsjunky]

All of that aside, are we in agreement that Trout's first 3 seasons are the best first 3 seasons in MLB history?

For instance, Trout's cumulative OPS+ for those 3 seasons was about 100 greater than Pay-Rod's first 3 seasons, and he had more steals and less CSs than Pay-Rod.

 

Maybe best overall player, but not best hitter - that would probably be Ted Williams. Compare:

 

Williams (1939-41): .356/.475/.640, 177 wRC+, 24.8 fWAR

Trout (2012-14): .311/.403/.561, 170 wRC+, 28.4 fWAR

 

Williams gets the edge in terms of hitting, but it is less than I thought it would be. Even more amazing to me.

[Angelsjunky]

Frank Thomas is similar in his first full three years (1991-93), with a 175 wRC+.

Edited March 19, 2015 by Angelsjunky

[ten ocho recon scout]

If Josh Hamilton had hit one more home run, Cabrera wouldn't have achieved the Triple Crown. Tell me, what does one Josh Hamilton home run have to do with the value difference between 2012 Trout and Cabrera?

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