Orange County Register: Angels owner Arte Moreno says team 'nowhere' with negotiations for new Angel Stadium lease

[Ohtaniland]

Stadiums don't take 3 years to construct. Especially baseball stadiums. The new Minnesota domed stadium they are building here will only take 2 years and that includes demolishing the old one. A baseball stadium can be built on empty land in 1.5 years.

That's the actual construction. Any city that plans to build a stadium must start with an environmental impact study which usually takes 2+ years to complete. You have surrounding freeways, roads, industry, utilities and homes to take into consideration. Any team that wishes to move to a new city must get permission from MLB. That process takes time and is usually met with litigation from the teams current city.

Arte might be ready for Tustin but Tustin and MLB need at least 5-7 years to get ready for Arte.

Edited February 21, 2015 by CALZONE

[xboom28x]

That's the actually construction. Any city that plans to build a stadium must start with an environmental impact study which usually takes 2+ years to complete. You have surrounding freeways, roads, industry, utilities and homes to take into consideration. Any team that wishes to move to a new city must get permission from MLB. That process takes time and is usually met with litigation from the teams current city.

Arte might be ready for Tustin but Tustin and MLB need at least 5-7 years to get ready for Arte.

 

I was only disputing how long it takes to construct a stadium.

[Ohtaniland]

I was only disputing how long it takes to construct a stadium.

I thinks it's safe to say that we all agree Arte isn't leaving Anaheim anytime soon.

[Lou]

Fenway Park still stands tall while enduring over 100 years of rain and snow.

and it's a sh*thole

[Lou]

1. yeah,I'd trust a bunch of slobbering, drunk gingers to construct a stadium.

2. Angels Stadium has a roof?

[gotbeer]

Just remember.  The opt out isn't till Oct 2019.  And the lease is through 2029.  

 

So if they are staying, there is plenty of time.  If they are moving, then the decision probably has to come by 2018 to be ready for opening of 2020, which is still a lot of time.

[Ohtaniland]

Yeah, but it was built by poor Irishmen. Angel Stadium was built by Mexicans in the 60's. We're lucky there isn't exposed rebar everywhere and an old muffler on the roof.

Lol

[JAHV76]

The city of Anaheim is using Bondo to repair the cracks in the stadium.

[disarcina]

The article makes it clear, Arte really feels no time pressure to do anything now.

 

what I read into his comments is that Arte and the Halos are quietly assessing other options (without really doing much to move on those options).

 

meanwhile, City of Anaheim needs to come back to the table -- no matter whether you like or dis-like the prior proposal/offer extended to the Angels on a 4 to 1 vote only to be, apparently, unilaterally rescinded by the Mayor, -- it was a bad faith tactic by the City to pull back from a city council approved offer that the Angels were willing to accept.

 

so, unless the City puts that offer back on the table, I don't see much hope for City/ Halos (Arte) negotiations.

 

Now the NFL is getting serious about the Los Angeles region.

 

And it looks as downtown Farmer's Field is going to be left out of the NFL picture.

 

If I am Arte, I look to Farmer's Field as the future home of the LOS ANGELES ANGELS.

 

Carson is wooing the Raiders and Chargers -- perhaps one of them winds up in Anaheim -- although, the Chargers are the prize and the Raiders are a team with a lousy current situation, a somewhat faithful Raider Nation fan base (and all the attendant problems that brings) and, really, no place to go.  The Chargers bring money to the table.

 

Meanwhile, Rams appear headed to Inglewood where the owner owns the property near the old Forum.

[Ohtaniland]

The article makes it clear, Arte really feels no time pressure to do anything now.

what I read into his comments is that Arte and the Halos are quietly assessing other options (without really doing much to move on those options).

meanwhile, City of Anaheim needs to come back to the table -- no matter whether you like or dis-like the prior proposal/offer extended to the Angels on a 4 to 1 vote only to be, apparently, unilaterally rescinded by the Mayor, -- it was a bad faith tactic by the City to pull back from a city council approved offer that the Angels were willing to accept.

so, unless the City puts that offer back on the table, I don't see much hope for City/ Halos (Arte) negotiations.

Now the NFL is getting serious about the Los Angeles region.

And it looks as downtown Farmer's Field is going to be left out of the NFL picture.

If I am Arte, I look to Farmer's Field as the future home of the LOS ANGELES ANGELS.

Carson is wooing the Raiders and Chargers -- perhaps one of them winds up in Anaheim -- although, the Chargers are the prize and the Raiders are a team with a lousy current situation, a somewhat faithful Raider Nation fan base (and all the attendant problems that brings) and, really, no place to go. The Chargers bring money to the table.

Meanwhile, Rams appear headed to Inglewood where the owner owns the property near the old Forum.

The Dodgers will surely block a move to anywhere near that location. I think that Arte will sell the team if he can't work out a deal with the City of Anaheim.

[Lou]

The roof is the part that covers the poor people from the sun on the View Level.

 

what's the View Level?

[gotbeer]

And it looks as downtown Farmer's Field is going to be left out of the NFL picture.

 

If I am Arte, I look to Farmer's Field as the future home of the LOS ANGELES ANGELS.

 

 

Environmental wouldn't go well for a Baseball field in that area.  Football barely got through because it would only be in use for a few days a year on Sunday, and the approval was only for a Football stadium.

 

Baseball runs week long.  And putting a stadium in that area, would make traffic a huge nightmare.  Although I wouldn't mind because I could then take the train there and be there in 10 minutes.  

Edited February 21, 2015 by gotbeer

[Lou]

It's where your tio and tia sit.

 

Ha

 

funny thing is my uncle was on of the first season ticket holders when the Angels moved to Anaheim.

 

still has them.

 

 

Anaheim.  6 seats, front row in old aisle 23 (now aisle 110)

[Lou]

he's German

[Ohtaniland]

Ha

funny thing is my uncle was on of the first season ticket holders when the Angels moved to Anaheim.

still has them.

Anaheim. 6 seats, front row in old aisle 23 (now aisle 110)

How did you end up in Section 8 ???

jk

[Lou]

How did you end up in Section 8 ???

jk

 

what's that?

[Lou]

Lederhosen?

 

NO

 

Maybe

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

yes

[Second Base]

Stadiums usually are planned 4-5 years in advance and built with the idea they'll be completed in 2 years. If Moreno commits in 2016, that means they can have a new stadium for the 2020 season.

I think there's no way they get Farmers Field in downtown LA. If I'm not mistaken that's Dodger territory and there's no way they or MLB would allow the Angels to move there.

I think it's Tustin, I think the city gives Moreno the surrounding land in return for the city not paying anything. As for the name, Moreno is big on drawing fans in with a name. Los Angeles is obviously the name they want but Tustin has said no. If they don't soften their stance we may see the Angels go back to California Angels.

[AngelsLakersFan]

The Dodgers will surely block a move to anywhere near that location. I think that Arte will sell the team if he can't work out a deal with the City of Anaheim.

 

I don't think the Dodgers have any say in the matter. The Angels have already paid their debt to them.

[Ohtaniland]

I don't think the Dodgers have any say in the matter. The Angels have already paid their debt to them.

Most of the Angels fan base is in Orange County. The Dodgers would still own the town. Arte should work with Ed Roskie and get a stadium deal in the City of Industry.

[ScottT]

I'm guessing the Angels have some kind of plan... both for renovations and a new place... and the other parties have some knowledge of the plans and have given their own input.

 

I don't know, though.  I'm glad others do.   

[LAA Road Tripper]

Stadiums usually are planned 4-5 years in advance and built with the idea they'll be completed in 2 years. If Moreno commits in 2016, that means they can have a new stadium for the 2020 season.

I think there's no way they get Farmers Field in downtown LA. If I'm not mistaken that's Dodger territory and there's no way they or MLB would allow the Angels to move there.

I think it's Tustin, I think the city gives Moreno the surrounding land in return for the city not paying anything. As for the name, Moreno is big on drawing fans in with a name. Los Angeles is obviously the name they want but Tustin has said no. If they don't soften their stance we may see the Angels go back to California Angels.

Just to clarify all two-team markets, except for some strange reason the Bay Area, are overlapped territories. That means that theoretically the Cubs would have no power to stop the White Sox from building a new ballpark on the North Side, or the Mets from stopping a new Yankee Stadium in Queens, etc. and the Dodgers couldn't stop a new Angels stadium near LA Live. Now there may be other logistical, political or financial reasons why that wouldn't happen but MLB territorial restriction isn't one of them.

[LAAMike]

I agree that the downtown stadium ( Farmer's Field) will never be cleared for baseball. Tustin works for the fan base and I still like the California Angels.

[YouthofToday]

The Chinese could build a new stadium by OpeningDay 2015. Just saying.

[Vegas Halo Fan]

The Chinese could build a new stadium by OpeningDay 2015. Just saying.

Beijing Angels. Book it.