Is the team better, or worse, than at seasons end? and why?

[tdawg87]

 

I would say significantly better, but there are a lot of young guys that need to just go out there and prove it, (Heaney, Tropeano, Rutledge) and others to prove they are the real deal, (Richards, Shoemaker, Calhoun, Morin)

 

Also anyone have any feedback on these trade ideas?:

 

Angels send Wilson (+12mil) & Alcantara to AZ

AZ send Lamb(3B) to Angels

 

Angels send Freese & Ellis to SF

SF send Susac© to Angels

 

Too much or too little? I figured to try and "sweeten" the deal for the other team since both players we could receive are young guys with good upside. I understand both would need to be simultaneously so we don't end up without a 3B. 

 

 

The first trade isn't too bad. I don't see anyone giving up one of their top 5 prospects for CJ Wilson though, even Dave Stewart. The Angels would also have to pay more than 12 million to dump Wilson. Realistically at least 18 million.

 

I suppose the 2nd trade is fair if the Giants are desperate enough for a 3rd baseman. Susac is a really good prospect though. Tough to see them parting with him for that package.

 

Not terrible ideas though. The problem is the Angels would then need to find someone to replace Wilson.

[Troll Daddy]

If Wilson is traded then who replaces him?

Edited December 18, 2014 by Troll Daddy

[Stradling]

Richards

Weaver

Shoemaker

Santiago

Trop

Haeney

There's six guys right there Troll.

[bloodbrother]

IDK, hard to be better than winning 98 games. I don't think they got worse though and they continue to improve the pitching depth, making it more likely that they'll sustain success if/when players miss time with injuries, etc

[Troll Daddy]

Richards

Weaver

Shoemaker

Santiago

Trop

Haeney

There's six guys right there Troll.

Wilson is more liable than the last three guys on your list. I thought the idea was to get better?

Heaney and Tropicana aren't up grades just yet.

[ten ocho recon scout]

Wilson is more liable than the last three guys on your list. I thought the idea was to get better?

Heaney and Tropicana aren't up grades just yet.

from here on out you have to call tropeano juice, AND LIKE IT

[Troll Daddy]

from here on out you have to call tropeano juice, AND LIKE IT

Ok Lmao

Edited December 18, 2014 by Troll Daddy

[Stradling]

Wilson is more liable than the last three guys on your list. I thought the idea was to get better?

Heaney and Tropicana aren't up grades just yet.

The last three guys on the list are all better than the CJ Wilson we saw last year. Now I am with you that the Wilson we see this year will probably be better than last year, but that doesn't mean getting rid of him is a bad thing. If freeing up his money allows us to upgrade in other areas, then yes we can be better.

[Troll Daddy]

The last three guys on the list are all better than the CJ Wilson we saw last year. Now I am with you that the Wilson we see this year will probably be better than last year, but that doesn't mean getting rid of him is a bad thing. If freeing up his money allows us to upgrade in other areas, then yes we can be better.

You cute ... nice try. I'll give you Santiago but Wilson was a 13 game winner.

[Ohtaniland]

This may surprise some of you but I think the team is worse right now than they were at the end of last year. At the end of last year we had a proven 2nd baseman that was really good, good enough that we put him in the clean up spot and he did very well hitting there. We also had a lights out (even though it was tough to count on him) 7th inning guy in Jepsen. You can say what you want about Jepsen's career, but last year he got the job DONE.

All that being said, this team is deeper, has more options, and has more pitching depth than they have had at any time in the last several years. I still hope we can move CJ and free up some cash to give us even more options going forward.

Grinch

[Cdaniel]

If Wilson is traded then who replaces him?

Couldn't we use some of that cash to sign Shields?

[Mark68]

Better.

 

The pitching is deeper, the lineup potentially more balanced, and if Wilson & Hamilton suck ballz again, we no longer have to keep trotting them out there.

[floplag]

no contract is untradeable if were willing to eat enough cash, thats one thing i know to be true.
the question is what would the player be worth and is it worth eating enough cash to get a good return.

[nando714]

I think we need to add a veteran starter.

Other than that I'm ok with the team we have this second

[ten ocho recon scout]

I would like to add another vet starter, and another bat. No idea who that would be though. I harbor the same zobrist boner as most on here, but thats not happening

[T.G.]

I would say "better" IF Skaggs was healthy and we knew GRich would be ready to go and be 100%.  I'm with DW711 - it's incomplete at this point.

[ten ocho recon scout]

I think i already said this but, is the team better? No, i dont think it is. And were gonna miss howie a lot more than people think IMO. The pitching 'should' be improved, but theres still question marks.

But theres no doubt the overall franchise is better.and thats more important. We have done a phenom job over the last several weeks solidifying (in theory) our biggest weakness. And its set for a while now.

AJ said it best, we may have lowered the ceiling, but weve raised the floor

[Troll Daddy]

What's important is winning now. Getting cost controlled young pitching is nice but are they the future? I guess will find out.

[ten ocho recon scout]

No move guarantees winning now, pimp. But lots of moves guarantee sucking later