Mark Cuban on Selig

[happybat4]

Pretty good summary

 

Cuban continued, "David is very self-aware. And I don't think I can emphasize this enough: That's a huge compliment when you tell someone in a position of authority that they're self-aware. Look at Major League Baseball. Bud Selig has no self-awareness whatsoever. He goes on rants, he goes on missions, he takes people on. And he's not self-reflective. I think David is the exact opposite. He will raise the hammer and be forceful, but if something isn't working, he'll back down."

 

http://espn.go.com/dallas/nba/story/_/id/10302405/mark-cuban-dallas-mavericks-wants-fine-david-stern-exits

 

 

 

[nate]

Sorry but David Stern is one of the worst commissioners in history.

[YouthofToday]

Totally agree with Cuban. Baseball will be better off without Selig. Bud's tenure coincided with the golden age of local TV deals. These are roughly correlated - there is no causation between Bud being commissioner and baseball revenues going up from these local TV deals.

[NJHalo]

Ranking the commissioners...............

 

They all suck.

 

Sorry to say Goodell is the best of the worst

[OregonLAA]

Sorry but David Stern is one of the worst commissioners in history.

Just ahead of Bud Selig

[NJHalo]

I am proud to say that back in 1995, I gave Gary Bettman the finger. I was leaving Madison Square Garden, and his limo came out from the garage. His window was down, and some people were calling his name. This was right after the lockout, and the rangers Stanley Cup Banner raising was delayed. I was still pissed at him, so when he looked at me, I flipped him the bird.

[nate]

Just ahead of Bud Selig

 

I put them pretty equal.

[GuliblGuy]

This thread has less man on man action than the title advertised

[Tavon Brown]

Goodell is great if you are for LA never getting a NFL team.  Honestly I can't stand the salary cap in football with massive parity in the sport.

[Stradling]

I love the parity in football.

[Chimi]

The salary cap in football is a joke. The way they allow teams to restructure player contracts makes the salary cap pretty irrelevant.

[Stradling]

I wonder how non guaranteed contracts would affect baseball. It would truly be fascinating.

[Angel Oracle]

Sorry but David Stern is one of the worst commissioners in history.

He was really solid at one time, but has increasingly gone the Leonard Tose route. 

30 years is a long time to be commissioner.

[Vegas Halo Fan]

I am proud to say that back in 1995, I gave Gary Bettman the finger. I was leaving Madison Square Garden, and his limo came out from the garage. His window was down, and some people were calling his name. This was right after the lockout, and the rangers Stanley Cup Banner raising was delayed. I was still pissed at him, so when he looked at me, I flipped him the bird.

 

Bettman still gets boos at NHL arenas all over.

[happybat4]

I think Selig has done a great job. Basketball has really taken off since he took over. He rebranded the NBA, chose to market to players and it has paid off. He has also been in the fore front of online marketing for the NBA. Not to mention that he has really brought the NBA into the international market. He managed to save two seasons that could have never happened because of strikes. Player salaries have gone up tremendously during his watch.

Edited January 17, 2014 by happybat4

[maximus p]

He was really solid at one time, but has increasingly gone the Leonard Tose route. 

30 years is a long time to be commissioner.

Somewhere along the way, Leonard Tose lost it.

[Splint7438]

Maybe it's because I care most about baseball, but I think Selig is the worst of the sitting commissioners. They all have credibility problems. Stern has made the players bigger than the game. Goodell shoves certain teams up our asses every week and there is no good reason to not have a team in LA. Selig is now trying to take credit for cleaning up steroids in MLB after turning his head for years.

[Inside Pitch]

Maybe it's because I care most about baseball, but I think Selig is the worst of the sitting commissioners. They all have credibility problems. Stern has made the players bigger than the game. Goodell shoves certain teams up our asses every week and there is no good reason to not have a team in LA. Selig is now trying to take credit for cleaning up steroids in MLB after turning his head for years.

 

I agree -- every league has it's warts

 

There is no team in LA not because of Goodell but because the NFL is the ultimate Billionaire Boys Club and the members don't want any part of making anyone else rich.  Everyone has to pay to join the club and if you can't or won't you don't get admission.  The NFL is extremely owner driven.

 

The NBA became immensely boring post Magic/Bird/Jordan for me -- can only take so much slam dunking and the sort.  All the preening and posing and the sort just bores the crap out of me.  No reason to watch basketball save for the last 5 minutes of any game and in those 5 minutes you'll see more chest thumping and self promotion than the NFL allows in a full season.

 

It's nice to see the NHL overcoming their issues and start growing in popularity of late -- I wish the US feeds would take up some of what the Canadian networks do as far as televising the game...  Their telecasts are so amazing compared to how slow and boring it can look stateside.

 

Personally, I think a lot of the issues in MLB may be a result of people caring more about MLB and it's history..  People have a tendency to romanticize the game -- it's easily the slowest evolving of any sport. 

Edited January 17, 2014 by Inside Pitch

[Lhalo]

Bud Selig should die of gonorrhea and rot in hell. Would you like a cookie son?

[Vegas Halo Fan]

Goodell is great if you are for LA never getting a NFL team.  Honestly I can't stand the salary cap in football with massive parity in the sport.

 

I don't understand his massive hatred for Las Vegas either. The NFL won't accept Las Vegas tourism advertising for the Super Bowl, and he has threatened hotels with lawsuits for advertising Super Bowl parties - when in fact a significant part of the NFL's popularity is due to sports betting and fantasy football.

 

Thumbing their noses at Goodell - and rightfully so - the hotels have gotten around the legal threat by advertising their parties as being for "The Big Game", which the NFL cannot trademark.

[Second Base]

I believe baseball, with the exception of Miami, has some of the best owners of any sport. We also have probably the worst commissioner. He ignored steroids because it made him money then when the public found out he pretended to care. He's done everything in his power to make decisions that are best for the large market teams while giving the finger to small markets. He's done everything he could do to stall instant replay, all the while putting umpires in position to favor the money-making teams with every controversial call. The success baseball has seen during his tenure has not been of his doing and in certain cases came about in direct opposition to Selig. He's corrupt and he's done what he could to ensure corruption spreads in the league.

[Chimi]

Let's not forget Selig's great decision to make an exhibition game determine home field advantage for the sports biggest and most important series.  I'm surprised he hasn't gone the NFL route and just play the World Series at a different, neutral location each year.

[Splint7438]

I agree -- every league has it's warts

 

There is no team in LA not because of Goodell but because the NFL is the ultimate Billionaire Boys Club and the members don't want any part of making anyone else rich.  Everyone has to pay to join the club and if you can't or won't you don't get admission.  The NFL is extremely owner driven.

 

The NBA became immensely boring post Magic/Bird/Jordan for me -- can only take so much slam dunking and the sort.  All the preening and posing and the sort just bores the crap out of me.  No reason to watch basketball save for the last 5 minutes of any game and in those 5 minutes you'll see more chest thumping and self promotion than the NFL allows in a full season.

 

It's nice to see the NHL overcoming their issues and start growing in popularity of late -- I wish the US feeds would take up some of what the Canadian networks do as far as televising the game...  Their telecasts are so amazing compared to how slow and boring it can look stateside.

 

Personally, I think a lot of the issues in MLB may be a result of people caring more about MLB and it's history..  People have a tendency to romanticize the game -- it's easily the slowest evolving of any sport.

Baseball was just perfected long before the other major sports.

[Hollyw00d]

I wonder how non guaranteed contracts would affect baseball. It would truly be fascinating.

 

 

pujolds probably would have been cut back in august

[ukyah]

Goodell is great if you are for LA never getting a NFL team.  Honestly I can't stand the salary cap in football with massive parity in the sport.

 

 

then you can say goodbye to the green bay packers, because without the salary cap structure of the nfl no team in a small market like green bay would even exist, much less be one of the beacons of the league.

 

i'd like baseball to have a salary cap not because i give two craps about how much the players make, but moreso toward the fact that once shining franchises have become insignificant in this landscape.

 

i realize there are more mitigating factors than no salary cap that limit these franchises on field success, but the status quo has brought in and/or developed the type of owner that is willing to own these franchises, which is to say the type that owns purely for profit with no field success even considered.