Scioscia looking pretty silly again

[Mark68]

If they lose the wild card game again, the Rangers might fire Wash.  And if Sosh were available......

Then we would benefit from playing a Scioscia-led team for 19 games a year. A chance to benefit from several contact plays...

[YouthofToday]

Mets, Marlins, Rockies, maybe the Astros.

I know the Rockies would not give Scioscia that much power.

[YouthofToday]

Also, Scioscia does not fit the philosophy of the Astros front office -- which is very advanced with their use of statistics. I doubt the Astros would seriously consider Scioscia.

The Astros also really like Porter.

[mtangelsfan]

I know the Rockies would not give Scioscia that much power.

 

You know people in the Rockies front office?

[YouthofToday]

You know people in the Rockies front office?

Yes.

[Ohtaniland]

Okay sorry dislike wasn't the correct word. However you do firmly believe those two points above and I firmly disagree. Experienced managers like Scioscia are in relatively short supply and I think a lot of front offices would seriously consider hiring him and even taking on his contract. As far as the "power and authority" part I think that is a pretty overblown perception about Mike and I think the real solution is to find a like minded GM to Mike's style of managing without the GM having to "move aside" for Scioscia.

 

It would be very difficult to find a perfect fit GM for Scioscia's style of managing without having to move aside. Let's see how Arte handles this off-season.  

[stormngt]

Great I hope he goes to a small market team with a $65M payroll so we can all see what he can do in a less fortunate situation.

Yea, kind of like that miserable season he had in 2002!

[FireThemAll]

Yea, kind of like that miserable season he had in 2002!

 

Almost 12 years ago now. Seriously, people still bringing up 2002 as an arguing point to discuss Scioscia CURRENTLY is a joke. If it was 2006, that argument might have some merit still, not at the end of 2013 when we've missed the playoffs 4 straight years though. Sorry

[Lifetime]

Yes.

LOL! 

[jshep]

lol

[Ohtaniland]

Yea, kind of like that miserable season he had in 2002!

 

Yes in 2002 he had a $61,721,667 mid-range payroll which is about $80,262,245 in today's money. 

 

So why couldn't he at least make the playoffs with the $138,000,000 ( 4th highest) payroll hes had the last 4 seasons?

He must be declining.   

[Blarg]

Payroll has zero to do with the Angels on field performance in 2002 or 2013.

[jshep]

I'll just leave this here:

 

3 managers who won World Series' more recently than Mike Scioscia have been fired by the teams they won those for.

[Docwaukee]

 

Yes in 2002 he had a $61,721,667 mid-range payroll which is about $80,262,245 in today's money. 

 

So why couldn't he at least make the playoffs with the $138,000,000 ( 4th highest) payroll hes had the last 4 seasons?

He must be declining.   

 

because the players were better then than they are now. 

[Ohtaniland]

Payroll has zero to do with the Angels on field performance in 2002 or 2013.

 

Don't tell the Steinbrenners that. They remind the players all the time how much they're getting paid to make the playoffs.

[Docwaukee]

I'll just leave this here:

 

3 managers who won World Series' more recently than Mike Scioscia have been fired by the teams they won those for.

Francona and McKeon.  Who else?  Ozzie was traded right?

[jshep]

Francona and McKeon.  Who else?  Ozzie was traded right?

 

Francona and Manuel. McKeon retired both times if I recall correctly.

 

And ya, for some reason I forgot that Ozzie was traded to the Marlins(and then dumped a year later, but that's beside the point).

Edited September 11, 2013 by jshep

[Blarg]

Don't tell the Steinbrenners that. They remind the players all the time how much they're getting paid to make the playoffs.

Swap this years pitching staff with the 2002 team and they don't win 80 games, don't see the playoffs or the World Series. It is about performance not payroll. Edited September 11, 2013 by Eric Notti

[Ohtaniland]

Swap this years pitching staff with the 2002 team and they don't win 80 games, don't see the playoffs or the World Series. It is about performance not payroll.

 

Well Scioscia's 2002 resume is getting a little wrinkled.

[FireThemAll]

Francona and Manuel. McKeon retired both times if I recall correctly.

 

And ya, for some reason I forgot that Ozzie was traded to the Marlins(and then dumped a year later, but that's beside the point).

 

And only 2 managers that won the WS after Sosh are still with their current team (Bochy and Girardi). Both of them won recently. Managers get stale. Change is needed or else people get complacent. That's why giving a manager a 10 year deal is such flawed logic

[mtangelsfan]

I'll just leave this here:

 

3 managers who won World Series' more recently than Mike Scioscia have been fired by the teams they won those for.

 

It's a fair point but most of those guys found other manager jobs, right?  It's not like they are selling pizzas over the internet.  That is what is so ludicrous about Claude's argument.  Sosh will find another manager job (if he wants to).  

[Ohtaniland]

It's a fair point but most of those guys found other manager jobs, right?  It's not like they are selling pizzas over the internet.  That is what is so ludicrous about Claude's argument.  Sosh will find another manager job (if he wants to).  

 

But at what cost MT? No other franchise is going to give Scioscia that kind of money and that kind of power. It's nonconforming.

[Stradling]

Don't tell the Steinbrenners that. They remind the players all the time how much they're getting paid to make the playoffs.

Yep, and if the season ended today they could play golf with the Angels players.

[Stradling]

I am willing to bet his next contract is similar in dollars and years to what is left on his current deal with the Angels.

[FireThemAll]

I am willing to bet his next contract is similar in dollars and years to what is left on his current deal with the Angels.

 

No way.