Pocket Aces

[Troll Daddy]

Weaver is a Ace (some here think different)

 

Blank is a Ace (just have to fill in the blank)

 

The top teams to go deep into the playoffs usually have two Aces in the hole. Some of you may or may not agree with that theory.

 

Signing Vargas or Garza would be nice but I prefer they go after a Ace caliber pitcher. I think it would be essential is making the playoffs and going deep into them. Looks like a trade may be in order for that to happen.

 

 

Edited August 28, 2013 by Troll Daddy

[WallyWorld]

I don't think anybody here would be against the Angels adding an ace pitcher to the staff.  But teams tend to want to hang on to those guys, so if it's through a trade, they're going to have to give up A LOT.  Probably 2 of Kendrick/Trumbo/Bourjos, plus maybe even a minor leaguer or two.

[eaterfan]

Kendrick and Trumbo for Kershaw!

[Brent Maguire]

Who do you suggest we trade and for whom?

[tomsred]

It may be more cost effective to put together a much stronger bullpen.  Dipoto may have to revise his strategy, and go after the very best relief pitchers he can possibly find.  Trying to pull aces away from other teams is extremely difficult at best.   It's extremely demoralizing to the team as a whole when you can't hold leads, and the Angels have blown more than their share of leads this year.

Edited August 28, 2013 by tomsred

[eaterfan]

It may be more cost effective to put together a much stronger bullpen.  Dipoto may have to revise his strategy, and go after the very best relief pitchers he can possibly find.  Trying to pull aces away from other teams is extremely difficult at best.   It's extremely demoralizing to the team as a whole when you can't hold leads, and the Angels have blown more than their share of leads this year.

 

Certainly getting a top flight starter is hard but paying a lot for relievers hardly guarantees improving the bullpen at all. Relievers are generally the riskiest investments in baseball.

[Docwaukee]

price for trumbo and aybar. 

[Troll Daddy]

It may be more cost effective to put together a much stronger bullpen.  Dipoto may have to revise his strategy, and go after the very best relief pitchers he can possibly find.  Trying to pull aces away from other teams is extremely difficult at best.   It's extremely demoralizing to the team as a whole when you can't hold leads, and the Angels have blown more than their share of leads this year.

 

14 blown saves for the Angels

 

13 for the Tigers

 

15 for the A's

 

20 for the Red Sox

 

15 for the Rays

 

21 For the Orioles

 

etc.

[WallyWorld]

14 blown saves for the Angels

 

13 for the Tigers

 

15 for the A's

 

20 for the Red Sox

 

15 for the Rays

 

21 For the Orioles

 

etc.

 

that doesn't take into account all the blown leads by the bullpen in late innings, just the official save opportunities that were blown in the 9th.

 

I would still MUCH rather see the team address the starting pitching over the BP.   

[tdawg87]

14 blown saves for the Angels

 

13 for the Tigers

 

15 for the A's

 

20 for the Red Sox

 

15 for the Rays

 

21 For the Orioles

 

etc.

 

Yes because the only leads that get blown are blown saves.

[Troll Daddy]

Texas managed to get a Ace in the international market and now going after Cuban defector Miguel Gonzalez. I don't know much about Gonzalez but at least they're trying.

 

My point is that Dipoto should have a close eye on the international market ... maybe he does.

[eaterfan]

that doesn't take into account all the blown leads by the bullpen in late innings, just the official save opportunities that were blown in the 9th.

 

I would still MUCH rather see the team address the starting pitching over the BP.   

 

Isn't any lead blown after the 6th inning by a relief pitcher counted as a blown save? I don't think it is just blown leads in the 9th inning.

[jshep]

Isn't any lead blown after the 6th inning by a relief pitcher counted as a blown save? I don't think it is just blown leads in the 9th inning.

 

Ya, middle relievers can get charged with blown saves as well.

[tdawg87]

There is no way the Angels have only blown 14 leads this year. Absolutely no way.

[The God of Runs]

Pocket aces never win

[AngelsAndRamsFan]

I hate it when the ace is in the hole.

[WallyWorld]

There is no way the Angels have only blown 14 leads this year. Absolutely no way.

 

that's what i'm sayin.

[Brandon]

price for trumbo and aybar.

TB has said they can't pay Price and he will likely be gone.

[AngelsAndRamsFan]

There is no way the Angels have only blown 14 leads this year. Absolutely no way.

They haven't had a lot of leads to give the bullpen the chance to have a lot of BS.

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/teams/laa/stats/?season=&stat_category=mlb.stat_category.2

[Troll Daddy]

TB has said they can't pay Price and he will likely be gone.

 

You can start with Garrett Richards

[Jobu]

There's a new set of stats from fangraphs called shutdown and meltdown that are meant to track relatively close to saves but are based upon changes in win probability. Angels lead the league in meltdowns.

[Docwaukee]

There's a new set of stats from fangraphs called shutdown and meltdown that are meant to track relatively close to saves but are based upon changes in win probability. Angels lead the league in meltdowns.

yep.  it's based on adding or subtracting relative to win probability. 

[wopphil]

All one needs to do is look at the basic stats of our pen to see that it has been dog shit. Our best relief pitcher has been DDLR, with his 3.50 ERA. Good teams have an average pen ERA of 3.50 and three or four guys with ERAs under 3.00.

[Bruce Nye]

Does one of the aces have to be red?

[ScottT]

Haven't been dealt them in the last four or five tournaments I've played.