Angels sign Jose Cisnero (1 year, $1.75 million) - DFA Soto

[mmc]

 

[Stradling]

9 minutes ago, mmc said:

 

@Inside Pitch any indication he was unlucky versus shitty?

[tdawg87]

4 minutes ago, Stradling said:

@Inside Pitch any indication he was unlucky versus shitty?

.338 BABIP was the highest since his rookie year. 

[BTH]

I’m bewildered as to how he had a 1.08 ERA in 25 IP during the 2022 season with an 18.1% BB%.

6.84 BB/9!!!

[Erstad Grit]

I liked Soto

[jsnpritchett]

15 minutes ago, tdawg87 said:

.338 BABIP was the highest since his rookie year. 

...but his avg exit velocity and hard hit % were below average, so it wasn't just him being unlucky: people teed off on him.

[jsnpritchett]

Looks like it was for $1.75M (sorry if this has already been posted elsewhere...I didn't see it):

https://www.mlb.com/angels/news/angels-injuries-and-roster-moves

Feb. 3: RHP José Cisnero signed to a one-year deal
Cisnero is the latest addition for the Angels, as he signed a one-year deal worth $1.75 million on Saturday. Infielder Livan Soto was designated for assignment to make room for him on the roster. Cisnero, 34, posted a 5.31 ERA with 70 strikeouts, 25 walks and 10 homers allowed in 59 1/3 innings last season. He has a career 3.99 ERA in 259 1/3 innings with the Astros (2013-14) and Tigers (2019-23). The Angels have also signed fellow relievers Robert Stephenson, Matt Moore, Luis García, Adam Cimber and Adam Kolarek this offseason.

[Taylor]

22 minutes ago, BTH said:

I’m bewildered as to how he had a 1.08 ERA in 25 IP during the 2022 season with an 18.1% BB%.

6.84 BB/9!!!

He'll fit right in here.

[Inside Pitch]

34 minutes ago, Stradling said:

@Inside Pitch any indication he was unlucky versus shitty?

I thought this dude was dead so... Lucky I guess.

[jsnpritchett]

He's a big fellow: 6'3", 258 lbs.

Made $2.3M last year.  Tigers put him on waivers late in the season, but no one claimed him.

[Inside Pitch]

MLB hitters did things to his sinker that would make his parents cry.  He throws hard.  Seems to be the theme with this pen.

Also, quick look at the pitch modeling... Great stuff, doesn't place or use it well.  Interesting addition.

[Angels 1961]

Another BP addition I wonder if a trade could be in works with one of halos young BP piece. 

[Vegas Halo Fan]

11 minutes ago, Inside Pitch said:

MLB hitters did things to his sinker that would make his parents cry.  He throws hard.  Seems to be the theme with this pen.

Also, quick look at the pitch modeling... Great stuff, doesn't place or use it well.  Interesting addition.

Maybe the pitching coach believes that they can fix the location and pitch sequencing issues.

Edited February 4 by Vegas Halo Fan

[Inside Pitch]

1 minute ago, Vegas Halo Fan said:

Maybe the pitching coach believes that they can fix the location and pitch sequencing issues.

Probably something like that.  You can't teach pure stuff.

[Angels 1961]

Why so many additions to BP looks like Angels are going old school. Halos going to a 4 man rotation with 9 in BP. Strange signing makes zero sense.

[Second Base]

[TroutField]

Bullpen depth. Why would you not be okay with this the way the Angels have built bullpens the past 10-15 years lol 

[Tank]

seems like we've signed a lot of high risk high reward types this winter.

i hope it pays off.

[halodground]

I’m ok with signing guys who throw hard but can’t locate with the idea that you can fix something to improve their command.
 

The problem with the Angels is they seem to like to run them out there even when there is no evidence that they have improved their command. A plentitude of walks is the quickest way to a crappy bullpen. 

Edited February 4 by halodground

[The Ghost of Bob Starr]

I’ve always thought the angels should have a mandatory Soto on the roster.  Disappontment. 

[Angelsjunky]

The Los Angeles Relievers of Anaheim

[AngelsLakersFan]

Did Soto suck that much last year? Obviously small sample, but he looked great in his time with the big league club previously. The team does not have a lot of guys who can truly handle shortstop with the glove.

[Angelsfan1984]

There wasn’t some random pitcher they could have booted? This seems like a mistake

[HaloBronco]

19 minutes ago, AngelsLakersFan said:

Did Soto suck that much last year? Obviously small sample, but he looked great in his time with the big league club previously. The team does not have a lot of guys who can truly handle shortstop with the glove.

My concern is if Neto goes on the DL there isn’t any options on the roster to cover SS defensively. 
Rengifo can cover for a day or two but not sure we want him covering SS for an extended period of time. 

 

[Stradling]

29 minutes ago, AngelsLakersFan said:

Did Soto suck that much last year? Obviously small sample, but he looked great in his time with the big league club previously. The team does not have a lot of guys who can truly handle shortstop with the glove.

Jared Tims said he had something like a 71 OPS+ at SLC last year, so that’s pretty bad considering it’s a hitters paradise.