The Official Los Angeles Angels 2023-2024 Hot Stove Offseason Thread

[jsnpritchett]

Just now, BTH said:

He’s his younger bro?

That’s not confusing at all…

Yep.  Same first name, different middle names.

[jsnpritchett]

56 minutes ago, tomsred said:

Carlos Perez (C) was DFA'd by the White Sox today.  It seems we currently have enough catching, but if we trade one he could be a good fill.  

 

27 minutes ago, BTH said:

He’s his younger bro?

That’s not confusing at all…

 

[Ron Mexico]

1 hour ago, Chuck said:

Buster just randomly tweeted this out a few min ago.

 

He did the same shit with Hader also

[Inside Pitch]

1 hour ago, BTH said:

He’s his younger bro?

That’s not confusing at all…

Rougned Odor's father is also named Rougned and he has a younger brother named Rougned Odor, at one point both played for the Rangers system.  He also has an uncle and two cousins named Rouglas.  
 

 

 

[jsnpritchett]

25 minutes ago, Inside Pitch said:

Rougned Odor's father is also named Rougned and he has a younger brother named Rougned Odor, at one point both played for the Rangers system.  He also has an uncle and two cousins named Rouglas.  
 

 

 

Wander Franco has two brothers named Wander who played in the minors for several years.

[AngelStew43]

1 hour ago, jsnpritchett said:

Wander Franco has two brothers named Wander who played in the minors for several years.

Wander Franco will soon be joining Wild Thing Vaughn in the DR equivalent of the penal league.  Mostly because he didn’t care where he put his penal.

[Erstad Grit]

Maybe Arte will get named in the Epstein report and be forced to sell the team. 

[Tank]

5 hours ago, BTH said:

He’s his younger bro?

That’s not confusing at all…

just wait until you hear about boxer george foreman and his five sons.

[Ron Mexico]

12 minutes ago, Erstad Grit said:

Maybe Arte will get named in the Epstein report and be forced to sell the team. 

Now this is fucken Classic

[Lazorko Saves]

7 hours ago, T.G. said:

Like hell nobody does!  I drive by the stadium and I see how many cars are in the parking lot.

Don't forget to also look at the Del Taco as you drive by.

[Dtwncbad]

The Angels absolutely do not want to trade away any good young players.

Would anyone be interested in improving the team for 2024 by trading for Burnes by taking in the Yelich contract?

Yelich has five years and $120m remaining ($23.9m per year), and was a 4.1 WAR player last year.

We could all speculate how the details would be worked out but it at least appears that marrying Burnes to Yelich would facilitate someone acquiring Burnes.

Burnes is projected to get about $15m in arbitration.  If he was a free agent, what would the Angels pay him on a one-year contract?  $25m?

If the Angels acquire a pitcher that has $10m in value for 2024, that effectively makes the cost for Yelich 5 years $110m, or $22m per year.  While that isn’t a steal by any stretch, it’s digestible.

The points of criticism for this kind of transaction are surely money related.  But the Angels don’t have many options to improve by other means.

Further, if you had Yelich, that frees up someone like Ward to move in a deal elsewhere to improve the team some other way.

Anyway, it is at least notable that taking the Yelich contract matches up with acquiring Burnes. . . and there isn’t much else to talk about.

[Stradling]

55 minutes ago, Dtwncbad said:

The Angels absolutely do not want to trade away any good young players.

Would anyone be interested in improving the team for 2024 by trading for Burnes by taking in the Yelich contract?

Yelich has five years and $120m remaining ($23.9m per year), and was a 4.1 WAR player last year.

We could all speculate how the details would be worked out but it at least appears that marrying Burnes to Yelich would facilitate someone acquiring Burnes.

Burnes is projected to get about $15m in arbitration.  If he was a free agent, what would the Angels pay him on a one-year contract?  $25m?

If the Angels acquire a pitcher that has $10m in value for 2024, that effectively makes the cost for Yelich 5 years $110m, or $22m per year.  While that isn’t a steal by any stretch, it’s digestible.

The points of criticism for this kind of transaction are surely money related.  But the Angels don’t have many options to improve by other means.

Further, if you had Yelich, that frees up someone like Ward to move in a deal elsewhere to improve the team some other way.

Anyway, it is at least notable that taking the Yelich contract matches up with acquiring Burnes. . . and there isn’t much else to talk about.

I would but blarg is going to scold you. 

[jsnpritchett]

 

 

[Stradling]

@Dtwncbad I suggested this type of trade earlier in this thread

[Dtwncbad]

23 minutes ago, Stradling said:

I would but blarg is going to scold you. 

Maybe.  But it’s defendable.  If the team wants to punt on being competitive for a year or two then you don’t do this.  But the consensus opinion is the team intends to be competitive now. So how do you do that best without killing or really hurting the developmental movement?

If you made a deal like this to get Burnes, trade Ward for more pitching and heck go ahead and sign Snell. . . You add about $66m to the payroll, stay under the luxury tax, and you suddenly have a stacked rotation and you try to win by being dominant and deep in the starting rotation with a functional offense.

And this really does not cost the Angels any prospects or controllable young players (except Ward, who is not all that young anymore, and you can assume they would be moving him for someone they could at least control for more than 2024.)

So what is the real downside other than spending some money BELOW the luxury tax to improve the team?

Edited January 4 by Dtwncbad

[Stradling]

10 minutes ago, Dtwncbad said:

Maybe.  But it’s defendable.  If the team wants to punt on being competitive for a year or two then you don’t do this.  But the consensus opinion is the team intends to be competitive now. So how do you do that best without killing or really hurting the developmental movement?

If you made a deal like this to get Burnes, trade Ward for more pitching and heck go ahead and sign Snell. . . You add about $66m to the payroll, stay under the luxury tax, and you suddenly have a stacked rotation and you try to win by being dominant and deep in the starting rotation with a functional offense.

And this really does not cost the Angels any prospects or controllable young players (except Ward, who is not all that young anymore, and you can assume they would be moving him for someone they could at least control for more than 2024.)

So what is the real downside other than spending some money BELOW the luxury tax to improve the team?

I’d make the trade if I thought you could sign Burnes to an extension.  The argument against is you are trading for one year of Burnes, taking on a bad contract with no guarantee that you can re-sign Burnes.  

[Angel Oracle]

Yelich pros: resurgence at the plate in 2023 like Bellinger, LHH like Bellinger, steals a lot of bases (28 in 2023), would be significantly cheaper than Bellinger, and would be returning to SoCal where he grew up.

Yelich cons: already age 32 with meh defense 

I could see the Doyyers doing this kind of deal unfortunately.

[m0nkey]

15 hours ago, jsnpritchett said:

Wander Franco has two brothers named Wander who played in the minors

There's a joke somewhere in here isn't there

[EdmontonAngelsFan]

I thought I saw someone report that Milwaukee isn't trading Burnes and actually want to compete this year. Maybe I read wrong...

[EdmontonAngelsFan]

 

[Chitown27Fan]

Cant beleive Bader is getting 10.5 mil seams kinda high for him in my opinion isnt he an oft injured defense first outfielder ? 

[CartiHalos]

4 hours ago, Dtwncbad said:

The Angels absolutely do not want to trade away any good young players.

Would anyone be interested in improving the team for 2024 by trading for Burnes by taking in the Yelich contract?

Yelich has five years and $120m remaining ($23.9m per year), and was a 4.1 WAR player last year.

We could all speculate how the details would be worked out but it at least appears that marrying Burnes to Yelich would facilitate someone acquiring Burnes.

Burnes is projected to get about $15m in arbitration.  If he was a free agent, what would the Angels pay him on a one-year contract?  $25m?

If the Angels acquire a pitcher that has $10m in value for 2024, that effectively makes the cost for Yelich 5 years $110m, or $22m per year.  While that isn’t a steal by any stretch, it’s digestible.

The points of criticism for this kind of transaction are surely money related.  But the Angels don’t have many options to improve by other means.

Further, if you had Yelich, that frees up someone like Ward to move in a deal elsewhere to improve the team some other way.

Anyway, it is at least notable that taking the Yelich contract matches up with acquiring Burnes. . . and there isn’t much else to talk about.

In theory I don't hate it, but I think we're not in a position to make the playoffs next year anyway so more than likely Burnes ends up leaving in free agency and we're stuck with 4 more years of overpaying Yelich. It would be nice to just not be overpaying anyone for a change.

[tdawg87]

NOOOOOOOOO!

[BTH]

14 minutes ago, tdawg87 said:

NOOOOOOOOO!

Chicago Angels.

Matt Wise, Eric Thames, Drew Butera.

Brett Phillips, Max Stassi, Martín Maldonado.

Edgar Quero, Ky Bush.

Edited January 4 by BTH

[Stradling]

2 minutes ago, BTH said:

Chicago Angels.

Matt Wise, Eric Thames, Drew Butera.

Brett Phillips, Max Stassi, Martín Maldonado.

Edgar Quero, Ky Bush.

They have acquired all of the catchers this year