MLB tonight Ohtani trade

[notherhalo]

It looks like they already got started with Escobar

This is way too much for 2 months of any player - would you accept?

The biggest piece is losing Rendone

[Angelsfan1984]

Why would they do this…the biggest pieces are a catcher and SS. Both of which the angels have good young players ready. The absolute only appeal would be dumping rendon 

[DMVol]

Marte and Renfroe would be a push, not sure why either team does that…looks like message board nonsense….no way the Mets are taking in Rendon’s money….

[Second Base]

Talent is talent, I understand that. However, I just don't see the value in Parada when they have O'Hoppe, Thaiss and Quero all on the depth chart. 

And Mauricio just doesn't hold a ton of value with his lack of plate discipline, and his primary position being SS where the Angels have a lot of depth already. 

The rest of it is just moving pieces. It's nothing more than someone trying to make something happen on paper that has no basis in reality. 

[AngelsLakersFan]

If you are trading Ohtani you absolutely have got to get a legit top pitching prospect, and also another legit pitching prospect.

[AngelsMetsWS]

Mets season is over already. 

[Mark68]

I love me some Starling Marte.

 

But...no.

[m0nkey]

This was proposed by former manager Bo Porter, who famously didn't know that pitchers had to face at least one batter (before the 3 batter rule) and made back to back pitching changes against the Angels way back when.

[Erstad Grit]

Mets are crap why would they want an expiring Ohtani?

[Tank]

We’re gonna see ten thousand proposals like this until August 1. 
 

And most of them will be as illogical as this one. 

[REDneck]

Y'all realize we're ridding ourselves of Rendon in this scenario, right?

[bloodbrother]

Yeah, which is how you know this whole thing isn't worth discussing and is fairy tale nonsense

[Stradling]

5 hours ago, AngelsLakersFan said:

If you are trading Ohtani you absolutely have got to get a legit top pitching prospect, and also another legit pitching prospect.

And no one is giving that up for two plus months of Ohtani. 

[fan_since79]

9 hours ago, REDneck said:

Y'all realize we're ridding ourselves of Rendon in this scenario, right?

He would play 140 games for his new team, hit .280, and drive in 100 runs.

 

[AngelsLakersFan]

10 hours ago, Stradling said:

And no one is giving that up for two plus months of Ohtani. 

I think you are underrating his value to a team that wants him for a playoff push and thinks it gives them the inside edge at re-signing him. As dumb as this trade proposal from Bo Porter is, the return is 5 or 6 times what I'm saying the Angels should get.

[Stradling]

1 hour ago, AngelsLakersFan said:

I think you are underrating his value to a team that wants him for a playoff push and thinks it gives them the inside edge at re-signing him. As dumb as this trade proposal from Bo Porter is, the return is 5 or 6 times what I'm saying the Angels should get.

I look at what rentals have gotten the last several deadlines and see no chance of getting an Ace and another young starter for two+ months of Ohtani. As Fletcher points out look at what Scherzer and 1+ years of Trea Turner got the Nats.  They got a catcher who’s hitting .236 and a pitcher who has a solid 3.64 ERA.  The Angels would be lucky to get that much in return. 

[AngelsLakersFan]

12 minutes ago, Stradling said:

I look at what rentals have gotten the last several deadlines and see no chance of getting an Ace and another young starter for two+ months of Ohtani. As Fletcher points out look at what Scherzer and 1+ years of Trea Turner got the Nats.  They got a catcher who’s hitting .236 and a pitcher who has a solid 3.64 ERA.  The Angels would be lucky to get that much in return. 

I think that trade isn't so far off with what I stated. The Dodgers gave up their top 2 prospects and two other pieces. 

There is a hype around Ohtani that isn't purely rational in a baseball sense, which I would think might compel a top bidder to give up more than what really makes sense from a baseball stand point. As great as Scherzer and Turner are, there are multiples of ace pitchers and all star shortstops, but there is only one Shoehei Ohtani.

[REDneck]

23 minutes ago, Stradling said:

I look at what rentals have gotten the last several deadlines and see no chance of getting an Ace and another young starter for two+ months of Ohtani. As Fletcher points out look at what Scherzer and 1+ years of Trea Turner got the Nats.  They got a catcher who’s hitting .236 and a pitcher who has a solid 3.64 ERA.  The Angels would be lucky to get that much in return. 

Ohtani is two players dude. Two elite playèrs!

He's a mega draw and a cash cow. There is a reason Yankee stadium is called the house that Ruth built. Ohtani is on that level. Any franchise getting him in a trade is going to have International attention, a substantial increase in odds of winning a World Series, and a damn nice platform to negotiate an extension from.

You think all that is only worth the two players you mentioned?

[Duren, Duren]

Rockies broadcasters discussed Ohtani, saying 3 years at $300 million would be thinking outside the box. Advertising and other outside revenue would help defer his salary. 

Ohtani gets pretty much max money and is a free agent again at 31. And likely, another record setting contract. The new team doesn't risk injuries and degradation in his later years. 28 - 31 ages are usually the prime years of a career. 

Diplomacy and salesmanship will be needed to work out any deal. 

[Jay]

Could the Angels just sell Ohtani outright? Say he's worth $500 million per season, sell him for $262 million less his current salary.

[AngelsLakersFan]

1 hour ago, Duren, Duren said:

Rockies broadcasters discussed Ohtani, saying 3 years at $300 million would be thinking outside the box. Advertising and other outside revenue would help defer his salary. 

Ohtani gets pretty much max money and is a free agent again at 31. And likely, another record setting contract. The new team doesn't risk injuries and degradation in his later years. 28 - 31 ages are usually the prime years of a career. 

Diplomacy and salesmanship will be needed to work out any deal. 

You cant really make that work with the luxury tax 

[Vegas Halo Fan]

23 hours ago, Erstad Grit said:

Mets are crap why would they want an expiring Ohtani?

They have already thrown money around in buckets. May figure that they could sign him and add him to an already good rotation.

[AngelsMetsWS]

On 6/23/2023 at 7:58 PM, Mark68 said:

I love me some Starling Marte.

 

But...no.

Marte has not been looking good this year. 

[Stradling]

9 hours ago, REDneck said:

Ohtani is two players dude. Two elite playèrs!

He's a mega draw and a cash cow. There is a reason Yankee stadium is called the house that Ruth built. Ohtani is on that level. Any franchise getting him in a trade is going to have International attention, a substantial increase in odds of winning a World Series, and a damn nice platform to negotiate an extension from.

You think all that is only worth the two players you mentioned?

What kind of cash cow is he for two months?  Teams in contention have good attendance. 

[Stradling]

7 hours ago, Jay said:

Could the Angels just sell Ohtani outright? Say he's worth $500 million per season, sell him for $262 million less his current salary.

He isn’t worth $500 million per season. That’s silly.