The Last Jedi (Spoiler Alert: Red wants you to know you're dumb if you jump into this thread without having seen the film.)

[The Dude]

22 minutes ago, Chimi said:

 

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Thats why I said let’s see what happens in Episode 9 before judging this movie. We really don’t know what’s going to happen with Luke. I feel they are already doing something different with Luke than what we’ve seen before. Luke projecting himself through the Force is something we haven’t seen before. Let’s see what he can do in death.  I keep thinking of what Obi-Wan said in ANH.  Strike me down and I’ll become more powerful than you can possibly imagine. Wonder if that has any truth with Luke also.

 

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Fair point, i guess im just letting my disappointment could my judgement here. It's possible especailly now that Carrie is gone that he might have a big role to play in 9. I willing to give it a chance. 

ETA: Speaking of the projection scene, i found it strange that he appeared younger and with Anakins saber. I wonder why that was? if it has any kind of story significance or was just a choice by Johnson.

 

[Chimi]

22 minutes ago, The Dude said:

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Fair point, i guess im just letting my disappointment could my judgement here. It's possible especailly now that Carrie is gone that he might have a big role to play in 9. I willing to give it a chance. 

ETA: Speaking of the projection scene, i found it strange that he appeared younger and with Anakins saber. I wonder why that was? if it has any kind of story significance or was just a choice by Johnson.

 

My take on that was Luke knows Kylo is extremely arrogant and had he projected the grey haired, raggedy, homely, old Luke, Kylo probably would have thought Luke was weak.  So he projected the young, strong, Jedi Master that Kylo remembered. And Luke knew he would get a reaction out of Kylo that way.  Just my opinion of course.

[cez]

my showtime is in 1 hour

can't fucking wait

[The Dude]

You're in for a heck of a ride cez, hope you enjoy it! Looking forward to hearing your thoughts on this one.

[The Dude]

6 minutes ago, Chimi said:

 

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My take on that was Luke knows Kylo is extremely arrogant and had he projected the grey haired, raggedy, homely, old Luke, Kylo probably would have thought Luke was weak.  So he projected the young, strong, Jedi Master that Kylo remembered. And Luke knew he would get a reaction out of Kylo that way.  Just my opinion of course.

 

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Interesting take... i like it a lot. Thats probably exactly why he did it. Still why with Anakins saber? why not his own that he built? even though they didnt exactly lock sabers, i would have loved to see that old green one last time during that scene. I mean i know it was in the flashback, but only for a few seconds. what a tease!

 

[Chimi]

16 minutes ago, The Dude said:

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Interesting take... i like it a lot. Thats probably exactly why he did it. Still why with Anakins saber? why not his own that he built? even though they didnt exactly lock sabers, i would have loved to see that old green one last time during that scene. I mean i know it was in the flashback, but only for a few seconds. what a tease!

 

 

I think it’s just another head game Luke was playing on him.  In the Force Awakens when Kylo sees Rey with Anakins lightsaber, he gets extremely mad and demands he gives him the lightsaber because he says it belongs to him.  I think the whole projection with Luke was just one giant mind game to screw with Kylo and get him to appear unhinged in front of this new Empire he is leading.  Show them he’s not stable enough to be a leader. Perfect example of this is when he’s firing on Luke with all the weapons and General Lux finally has to step in and tell them to stop while making the snide remark to Kylo asking if he thinks he got him.  I think Episode 9 will have a power struggle between Kylo and Lux.  I just wish the Lux character had a stronger presence and was less whiney.

[The Dude]

4 minutes ago, Chimi said:

 

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I think it’s just another head game Luke was playing on him.  In the Force Awakens when Kylo sees Finn with Anakins lightsaber, he gets extremely mad and demands he gives him the lightsaber because he says it belongs to him.  I think the whole projection with Luke was just one giant mind game to screw with Kylo and get him to appear unhinged in front of this new Empire he is leading.  Show them he’s not stable enough to be a leader. Perfect example of this is when he’s firing on Luke with all the weapons and General Lux finally has to step in and tell them to stop while making the snide remark to Kylo asking if he thinks he got him.  I think Episode 9 will have a power struggle between Kylo and Lux.  I just wish the Lux character had a stronger presence and was less whiney.

 

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You know that is just so Luke right there, it is actually kind of brilliant. Hux seemed to be the butt of many jokes, and was actually pushed around quite a bit. i felt a little sorry for him the be quite honest. When Snoke force pulled him acorss the bridge early on infront of the whole crew, that was just humiliating.Thats is one interesting dynamic im looking forward to in 9. Will the first order willingly follow Ben?  Its so funny that Snoke turned out to be nobody really. people have been speculating since before TFA about who he is and is was all for naught. I loved the way Serkis handled Snoke. I really wanted to see more of him.  Snoke seemed really interested in Vader, was it just the Skywalker bloodline? I mean Sidious was really the last true Sith Lord and Powerful as hell, yet he doesnt ever mention him. Its still a mystery how he even knows what he does about what happened with Vader and Luke.

 

[The Dude]

1 hour ago, Thomas said:

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 Ben was the closest thing he'd ever have to a son and his sister and best friend's son. There were other trainees as well at the temple. This was his chance to rebuild the Jedi Order. And he feels like he blew it. He watched Ben be seduced by the dark side and there was nothing he could do. This would be enough to cause most people to collapse emotionally. 

 

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I mean i guess it would be pretty devastating, but its not like it was Lukes fault. Its implied in one of the novels that Snoke had been corrupting Ben since before his birth. Also, under Yoda's watch 10,000 jedi perished, the jedi order which lasted for thousands of years was no more and the Sith rose to power, and yet he still believed in the force and was willing to train Luke. 

 

[Chimi]

18 minutes ago, The Dude said:

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You know that is just so Luke right there, it is actually kind of brilliant. Hux seemed to be the butt of many jokes, and was actually pushed around quite a bit. i felt a little sorry for him the be quite honest. When Snoke force pulled him acorss the bridge early on infront of the whole crew, that was just humiliating.Thats is one interesting dynamic im looking forward to in 9. Will the first order willingly follow Ben?  Its so funny that Snoke turned out to be nobody really. people have been speculating since before TFA about who he is and is was all for naught. I loved the way Serkis handled Snoke. I really wanted to see more of him.  Snoke seemed really interested in Vader, was it just the Skywalker bloodline? I mean Sidious was really the last true Sith Lord and Powerful as hell, yet he doesnt ever mention him. Its still a mystery how he even knows what he does about what happened with Vader and Luke.

 

Theres a fan theory that Snoke is actually inside Kylo now and has taken over his body. I’m not sure how much I buy  into that but it makes a little sense. I think Luke told Rey he could see Snoke inside and corrupting Kylo which is why he tried to kill him. Snoke was portrayed as being powerful enough to get into both the heads of Kylo and Rey and admits all the conversations they had with each other were actually Snoke controlling them. Snoke even told Rey he knew exactly what she was thinking, hence him toying with her when she tried pulling the lightsaber. I have a hard time believing Kylo was able to kill Snoke the way he did and Snoke not know about it. It would have completely contradicted his characters ability. So it’s possible Episode 9 will show the struggle between Snoke and Ben fighting over Kylos body. But in the end, Ben would just redeem himself and it would be very Return of the Jedish to me.

[The Dude]

8 minutes ago, Chimi said:

 

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Theres a fan theory that Snoke is actually inside Kylo now and has taken over his body. I’m not sure how much I buy  into that but it makes a little sense. I think Luke told Rey he could see Snoke inside and corrupting Kylo which is why he tried to kill him. Snoke was portrayed as being powerful enough to get into both the heads of Kylo and Rey and admits all the conversations they had with each other were actually Snoke controlling them. Snoke even told Rey he knew exactly what she was thinking, hence him toying with her when she tried pulling the lightsaber. I have a hard time believing Kylo was able to kill Snoke the way he did and Snoke not know about it. It would have completely contradicted his characters ability. So it’s possible Episode 9 will show the struggle between Snoke and Ben fighting over Kylos body. But in the end, Ben would just redeem himself and it would be very Return of the Jedish to me.

 

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I dont know if i buy the body switch theory, but something tells me Snoke isnt done for just yet. I cant recall where i read it, but in one of the books its stated that "Snoke hides his true appearance, even while in the comapny of others" or something to that effect. Maybe he'll be back.

 

[Rico]

4 hours ago, The Dude said:

Im curious what ya'll thought of...

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how they handled Luke in this. Im not sure i agree with anything they've done with his character so far in the ST. They basically made it all his fault any of this is happening. He tries to kill Ben in his sleep? That i could never see Luke doing. 

 

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Big part of Luke's character is him fighting off his dark side.  Go back and re-watch Return of the Jedi to see how tempted he is by it.  He is after all Vader's son.

 

[cez]

really nice performances, and most of the story was pretty great

i felt like the script could have been a little tighter, and a few story elements could have been reduced or even eliminated to cut it down to about 130 mins...(see spoiler)

it was a really terrific addition to star wars lore.  really interested in seeing where ep 9 goes because i'm pretty clueless right now

 

especially del toro's character. what a waste of time

[Blarg]

Episode 9 is Third From The Left, Jedi.

Yeah, there is a lot more of them and none really stand out.

[cez]

i keep seeing people complain about rey using the force with no training. 

luke learned how to use use a light saber, blindfolded, to deflect laser shots in about 30 seconds of time with obi wan. he destroyed a death star using the force after maybe 2-3 days of instruction. 

rey grew up completely alone from the time she was about 4, using the force without knowing it to survive.  talk about on the job training. 

besides, it's fantasy bordering on mythology. sometimes, you just have to go with it. 

[Rico]

Yeah, I have no problems with Rey's progression.  

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She was having trouble fighting one Praetorian Guard at a time, while Kylo Ren was taking on three.  Seems about right.

 

[notherhalo]

My friend complained about the $14 ticket price.   Dude that's like $6 an hour to go out.  

Drinking at the bar is like $6 every 10 minutes.   

[The Dude]

17 hours ago, GOPSnowflakesHateCezero said:

i keep seeing people complain about rey using the force with no training. 

luke learned how to use use a light saber, blindfolded, to deflect laser shots in about 30 seconds of time with obi wan. he destroyed a death star using the force after maybe 2-3 days of instruction. 

rey grew up completely alone from the time she was about 4, using the force without knowing it to survive.  talk about on the job training. 

besides, it's fantasy bordering on mythology. sometimes, you just have to go with it. 

 

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Its not that shes using to force thats a problem, its to the extent shes using it at this point in her journey. TLJ takes place literally right after TFA so with absolutely no taining of any kind and maybe a week or two in universe (From the start of TFA to the end of TLJ) she goes from a nobody on Jakku to a near Mastery of the Force? Nope sorry it doesnt work that way. Anakin, the freaking chosen one, born of the force even needed years of training. I dont care if shes unrelated to legacy characters, that shes just some random girl with the force(though we already knew from the previous six movies you dont need to be a Skywalker to be strong in the force) theres no developement here. She's just winning lightsaber battles in TFA/TLJ, Lifting huge boulders with no strain, hell even Yoda struggled to hold the crumbling ceiling after Dooku brought it down. And the Whole "darkness rises and the light to meet it" is such a cop out excuse for why shes so stong. The Force created Anakin to counter Plagueis meddling with the force. AGAIN he still need to be trained for over 10 years. Its like they want Rey to be a legend without any of the work put in.  

Yeah, i agree sometimes you just gotta roll with it, but to me, in this case they are going against long established "rules" of the Star Wars universe. That line from Kylo kind of sums it up "let the past die, Skywalker, The Jedi, the Sith...etc" is basically Disney telling us in movie that whatever what had seen before forget about it, cause we're changing it.

 

[nate]

On 12/15/2017 at 4:35 PM, Thomas said:

Seems a strange dynamic. Many people thought Force Awakens was too derivative and now many people say Last Jedi is not derivative enough. God knows that venn diagram probably overlaps a lot. I thought it was the best Star Wars film yet. I think the first three films are held on an entirely too high a pedestal. Yes, even Empire. The prequels were well the prequels and less said the better. Force Awakens honestly was a bit derivative, though I thought not nearly as much as many people say. I enjoyed Rogue One and thought it was a move in the right direction but the fan service was a little too much for me. I think, at least based on my initial impression, Last Jedi is the most complete of any of the films.

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I appreciated the casino subplot. I like that it basically went completely wrong the whole time. Yet because the two characters, one rather flawed, did the right things morally, they may be rewarded based on the last scene. The force works in mysterious ways. Many seem to think it was pointless but I felt it fleshed out the characters quite well, especially the newest character Rose but I think the perception of it suffers from the interaction with the conflict between Poe and Admiral Holdo, as it seemed forced and awkwardly written. It was necessary as we watch Poe progress from an overconfident rash pilot to a seasoned leader, but it could have been done in a better manner. There is an interesting story there about a pilot who assumes just because he's an amazing pilot that he automatically is good at everything. Assuming he is better equipped in leading the remains of a fleet than a celebrated admiral and before that even with Leia herself. Dealing with the issues of youthful exuberance versus aged wisdom and lightly touching on gender issues. He spends the vast majority of the movie continually fucking up, albeit for noble reasons. The Dreadnought. The ill advised casino mission. Speaking too loudly about the evacuation plan leading to the betrayal. But with him eventually catching on to his flaws and making the adjustment. It's a very good character arc. But it suffers from the awkward interactions with the admiral and the rather large plot holes in the chase from the Last Order

 

Agree 100%.

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The only thing I thought was bad was Leia flying through space back into the ship, that was kind of a lame scene.

Do you think the writers wish they killed off the other Skywalker?  How are they going to write her out of episode 9?

 

[Thomas]

30 minutes ago, nate said:

Agree 100%.

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The only thing I thought was bad was Leia flying through space back into the ship, that was kind of a lame scene.

Do you think the writers wish they killed off the other Skywalker?  How are they going to write her out of episode 9?

 

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My assumption is that the 3rd movie will happen after a significant amount of time passes. Perhaps a decade or more. It would hardly be criticized if she simply dies off screen. Man speak about another character who has gone through a ton of shit in her life. And especially just prior and during the events of the sequel films. I like that they acknowledged Leia's force abilities in a rather Leia way. And they had to kill Luke in their story structure as he made the odds weigh too much in the light sides favor. 

 

[Stradling]

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Did anyone else get a little emotional when your childhood hero died 40 years later?  I was at a loss of words when he vanished.  

 

[Blarg]

This is like reading the transcript of those 18 minutes of the Nixon tapes.

[The Dude]

1 hour ago, Stradling said:

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Did anyone else get a little emotional when your childhood hero died 40 years later?  I was at a loss of words when he vanished.  

 

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Although im a little younger(born in the late 80's) i grew up with the OT and Luke, so for me it was extremely sad. If it had to happen they should have waited until the end of the trilogy. This is the end of the "Skywalker" saga. Luke should have made it to the end.

 

[Amazing Larry]

2 hours ago, Blarg said:

This is like reading the transcript of those 18 minutes of the Nixon tapes.

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Yep

 

[gotbeer]

To start off.  I really liked the movie.  But I had issues with it.  These spoilers are going to be long.

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I'll go character by character.  

Leia.  Lame on that space thing and using the force to bring her back.  Yes she's got training.  But to survive like that was pretty bad.  I'd rather she built a cocoon of the force on the bridge and she have survived that way.  Then she busts the blast door down with the force.  Again, maybe it's because she's a Skywalker.  But she seems pretty uber in the force that she walked away from.

Rey.  Overall, I didn't mind her character at all.  She still have the dark and light conflict.  Her character was good through the movie though.  But more on her later.

Kylo.  Didn't mind his character at all also.  And remember what was one of Anakins thoughts.  He wanted to unite the universe.  This is why I don't mind that he killed Snoke, and took control.  He is doing what Anakin wanted.  He sees himself as the uniter of the universe, and not the bad guy.  Again more on him later.

Finn.  Couldn't stand him.  He's a janitor, then a expert on the strategies of this new lightspeed tracker.  Then he goes off and is on that half landspeeder, have fighter plane.  Oh and the Janitor can get rid of the Captain of the stormtroopers.  This is the BLM of Star Wars.

Poe.  I was on the fence on his character.  The hotshot pilot that thought he knew it all.  But didn't see the big picture.  His might have been the social commentary.  Destroy the dreadnaught, but lose the entire bomber squadron and half the fighter squadron.  Take over and commit treason because you know more than a decorated general and one of Leia's confidants (assuming on this, because I don't recall her ever), when she has a plan.  Again, I thought this was an excellent character because it showed the flaws of the person, and in the end fight, he realized that he couldn't take it down, so retreat was better than balls to the wall.  Social commentary was you think you know everything, but in reality you are ruining everything instead.

Snoke.  He was a good bad guy.  But more on him later.

Hux.  Not a fan of his.  He has more lives than a cat.  And as the lead military guy, he is very impulsive and whiny, and his military strategy is a bunch of losing.  Maybe this is a social commentary also.

Phasma.  Again, she was a cool concept.  But what a poor execution.  She was barely in the movies at all.  And she got bested by someone that is a janitor.  

Rose and her sister.  Screamed let's appease the Chinese market.  What was she, a requisition pencil pusher that becomes a commando that becomes a pilot that saves the other waste of time in the movie.  Total PC nonsense.

DJ.  Waste.  Not his acting, because he was quirky enough.  But whatever on his character roll.

Vice Admiral Holdo.  I liked her character.  She was exactly the opposite of Poe.  Again probably social commentary.  He saw on the outside that she wasn't much.  Instead of what was known about her, that she was a kick ass military strategist.  She was the confidant military person to the Tom Cruise Maverick.  

Lieutenant Connix.  Not her fault at all.  She was a total minor character in this.  And I don't know if this is after the fact.  But for a minor character, she got a lot of facetime.  And really I don't know if it is because she's Carries daughter or not, after the fact.  And maybe she becomes a major character after.  But her with the braids and such was really distracting.

These are the characters, looking at the list that comes to mind.

Now other things.

I don't know if it was him.  But being a semi Star Wars nerd.  When that white haired dude surveyed the approaching force, by going out of the trenches like a badass.  And he left the red footprint.  The guy tasted it and when asked what it tasted like he said "Salty".  I  took it to mean like an old school salty veteran.  And took him to be Jan Dodanna.  So yeah, kick ass.

So this whole Luke thing.  What I read into his thing was that the force isn't learned in books.  So taking out the why he turned on Kylo, he taught and thought he failed based on what he read.  But force is more about philosophy, which is why Yoda burned the old scrolls.  And when he did his whole disappearing thing, he finally became one with the force, and reached that zen moment.  Of course now he will be the ghost of 3.  

This last Jedi business.  When Kylo and Luke meet and Luke says I am not the last Jedi.  Of course the assumption is Rey.  But remember this.  A Sith is a master and an apprentice.  Until the apprentice slays the master.  Well, Kylo slays the master.  Maybe too easily, but just say his power is great like Luke said it is, and the master could no longer read, control his apprentice.  I read the slaying of Snoke as the Apprentice finally became stronger than the Master, when the Master still thought he could read his students mind and know what he was thinking if that makes sense.  So now Kylo will be looking for an apprentice.  And Luke is not the Last Jedi.  Maybe last Jedi meant Leia, since she really used the force past really just moving objects.  She really used the force like really no other jedi we've seen before.  (Luke also with the projection)  Maybe it means Rey, or maybe Rey is to become the apprentice.  (BTW I like that they made her parents just scumbags instead of putting into some lost child thing)  But there is a third option.  I don't know if you caught it, because my buddy didn't catch it, and another of my friends didn't catch it.  And here comes the spoiler within a spoiler, so if you don't want to go into my twisted mind and don't know who the third option that appeared at the end of the film was, then don't read it. 

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The kid with the broom.  That he used the force to attract the broom to him.  Slave, working in the awesome alien horse stalls, using the force.  Beginning of Anakin anyone?  So the big question for me is, is he the last Jedi, or the future Sith apprentice.  Because both my friends only saw the rebel ring, and not what he did when they quickly panned to him.  I liked the movie before that, but it blew my mind in thought and questions.  

 

 

[The Dude]

2 hours ago, gotbeer said:

To start off.  I really liked the movie.  But I had issues with it.  These spoilers are going to be long.

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I'll go character by character.  

Leia.  Lame on that space thing and using the force to bring her back.  Yes she's got training.  But to survive like that was pretty bad.  I'd rather she built a cocoon of the force on the bridge and she have survived that way.  Then she busts the blast door down with the force.  Again, maybe it's because she's a Skywalker.  But she seems pretty uber in the force that she walked away from.

Rey.  Overall, I didn't mind her character at all.  She still have the dark and light conflict.  Her character was good through the movie though.  But more on her later.

Kylo.  Didn't mind his character at all also.  And remember what was one of Anakins thoughts.  He wanted to unite the universe.  This is why I don't mind that he killed Snoke, and took control.  He is doing what Anakin wanted.  He sees himself as the uniter of the universe, and not the bad guy.  Again more on him later.

Finn.  Couldn't stand him.  He's a janitor, then a expert on the strategies of this new lightspeed tracker.  Then he goes off and is on that half landspeeder, have fighter plane.  Oh and the Janitor can get rid of the Captain of the stormtroopers.  This is the BLM of Star Wars.

Poe.  I was on the fence on his character.  The hotshot pilot that thought he knew it all.  But didn't see the big picture.  His might have been the social commentary.  Destroy the dreadnaught, but lose the entire bomber squadron and half the fighter squadron.  Take over and commit treason because you know more than a decorated general and one of Leia's confidants (assuming on this, because I don't recall her ever), when she has a plan.  Again, I thought this was an excellent character because it showed the flaws of the person, and in the end fight, he realized that he couldn't take it down, so retreat was better than balls to the wall.  Social commentary was you think you know everything, but in reality you are ruining everything instead.

Snoke.  He was a good bad guy.  But more on him later.

Hux.  Not a fan of his.  He has more lives than a cat.  And as the lead military guy, he is very impulsive and whiny, and his military strategy is a bunch of losing.  Maybe this is a social commentary also.

Phasma.  Again, she was a cool concept.  But what a poor execution.  She was barely in the movies at all.  And she got bested by someone that is a janitor.  

Rose and her sister.  Screamed let's appease the Chinese market.  What was she, a requisition pencil pusher that becomes a commando that becomes a pilot that saves the other waste of time in the movie.  Total PC nonsense.

DJ.  Waste.  Not his acting, because he was quirky enough.  But whatever on his character roll.

Vice Admiral Holdo.  I liked her character.  She was exactly the opposite of Poe.  Again probably social commentary.  He saw on the outside that she wasn't much.  Instead of what was known about her, that she was a kick ass military strategist.  She was the confidant military person to the Tom Cruise Maverick.  

Lieutenant Connix.  Not her fault at all.  She was a total minor character in this.  And I don't know if this is after the fact.  But for a minor character, she got a lot of facetime.  And really I don't know if it is because she's Carries daughter or not, after the fact.  And maybe she becomes a major character after.  But her with the braids and such was really distracting.

These are the characters, looking at the list that comes to mind.

Now other things.

I don't know if it was him.  But being a semi Star Wars nerd.  When that white haired dude surveyed the approaching force, by going out of the trenches like a badass.  And he left the red footprint.  The guy tasted it and when asked what it tasted like he said "Salty".  I  took it to mean like an old school salty veteran.  And took him to be Jan Dodanna.  So yeah, kick ass.

So this whole Luke thing.  What I read into his thing was that the force isn't learned in books.  So taking out the why he turned on Kylo, he taught and thought he failed based on what he read.  But force is more about philosophy, which is why Yoda burned the old scrolls.  And when he did his whole disappearing thing, he finally became one with the force, and reached that zen moment.  Of course now he will be the ghost of 3.  

This last Jedi business.  When Kylo and Luke meet and Luke says I am not the last Jedi.  Of course the assumption is Rey.  But remember this.  A Sith is a master and an apprentice.  Until the apprentice slays the master.  Well, Kylo slays the master.  Maybe too easily, but just say his power is great like Luke said it is, and the master could no longer read, control his apprentice.  I read the slaying of Snoke as the Apprentice finally became stronger than the Master, when the Master still thought he could read his students mind and know what he was thinking if that makes sense.  So now Kylo will be looking for an apprentice.  And Luke is not the Last Jedi.  Maybe last Jedi meant Leia, since she really used the force past really just moving objects.  She really used the force like really no other jedi we've seen before.  (Luke also with the projection)  Maybe it means Rey, or maybe Rey is to become the apprentice.  (BTW I like that they made her parents just scumbags instead of putting into some lost child thing)  But there is a third option.  I don't know if you caught it, because my buddy didn't catch it, and another of my friends didn't catch it.  And here comes the spoiler within a spoiler, so if you don't want to go into my twisted mind and don't know who the third option that appeared at the end of the film was, then don't read it. 

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The kid with the broom.  That he used the force to attract the broom to him.  Slave, working in the awesome alien horse stalls, using the force.  Beginning of Anakin anyone?  So the big question for me is, is he the last Jedi, or the future Sith apprentice.  Because both my friends only saw the rebel ring, and not what he did when they quickly panned to him.  I liked the movie before that, but it blew my mind in thought and questions.  

 

 

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Yoda didnt acutally burn the books, in one of the last scenes on the Falcon at the end, someone opens a compartment(Finn?) and you see the books in there.

The Last Jedi to me was obviously implied to be Rey i thought, Leia isnt going to be in 9 so it cant be her. Im surprised so many peole seemed to miss "broom boy" using the force. It was pretty clear. As far as him becoming anything more in the next movie i say the chances are about 0. Look how many things from TFA were completely dropped in TLJ. There isnt any cohesiveness to this trilogy, as they have stated numerous times they are "making it up as they go" and it shows.