So Cespedes is still out there

[Stradling]

They can't shop him he has a no trade clause. So they'll be shopping Revere and Taylor.

[bloodbrother]

Didn't they just add Revere this offseason?

[Blarg]

I haven't heard anything that says Cespedes is a problem in the clubhouse. I couldn't tell you exactly what all of their though process' were but I bet they thought they were trading from a point of strength/replace-ability. Oakland traded him away in hopes that he would end their epic slide in 2014 and then Detroit traded him away when they were out of it. The Metropolitans I think are/were upset about the misplay in the World Series coupled with the fact that he didn't hit a lick either. So the real question is why did Boston get rid of him? They probably saw themselves as not competing in 2015, so they got what they wanted more specifically.....I guess. 

 

Oakland was leading the West by 2-1/2 games at the time they traded Cespedes and just completed a 15-10 July with a 66-41 record. Their tailspin took place after the trade. They went 22-33 to finish the season.

Edited January 21, 2016 by notti

[Angel Oracle]

At this point, even Revere and his Damonesque arm would be an improvement over Nava/Gentry as the regular LF. 

Just don't trade anymore of what's left of the farm system for him.

Edited January 21, 2016 by Angel Oracle

[QuinlansMinion]

Whats our lineup going to look like next year? Im afraid to even type out a projection.

[DailyHalo]

That's probably true, I should have done some research. I suppose either way, Beane made the wrong decision and Cespedes came off as the wiping boy. Jokingly, I think neither one of our blunders were his fault though. All I'm saying is we need to stop wasting time and sign him if that was our the plan from day one. If he doesn't sign here by Today or Friday, I'd have to say were definitely out and shopping at the billionaire dollar tree. 

Edited January 21, 2016 by DailyHalo

[Docwaukee]

Whats our lineup going to look like next year? Im afraid to even type out a projection.

we'll see Jake Arrieta on opening day at Wrigley.  I could see us with Cron at 1b, Gentry in LF and Nava at DH depending on what Choi does this spring.  

 

My guess is something like this:

Escobar

Nava

Trout

Calhoun

Cron

Perez

Simmons

Giavotella

Richards

 

or

 

Escobar

Trout

Calhoun

Cron

Nava

Perez

Simmons

Giavotella

Richards

 

Has a team ever been no hit on opening day?  just curious.  

 

actually, I forgot about no DH so I fixed it

Edited January 21, 2016 by Dochalo

[Blarg]

I don't know, you think Scioscia is starting Richards over Weaver?

[Docwaukee]

I don't know, you think Scioscia is starting Richards over Weaver?

reminded me that there is no DH.  

 

I do think we will start Richards opening day this year.  Time to pass the baton.  

[DMVol]

Assuming Cespedes goes to Nats, what about a Wilson for Werth trade?  Money is about the same, Nats will need to clear a space for Cespedes, both guys in last year of deals.

I think Werth is owed 40 million over 2 years....Wilson is owed 20 over 1 year....Plus, CJ might actually be worth (pun intended) something if he shows he's healthy....little to no chance of that with Werth....he pretty much is what he is....a bad signing from the beginning....CJ at least has been reasonably productive at times...

Edited January 21, 2016 by DMVol

[bloodbrother]

Whats our lineup going to look like next year? Im afraid to even type out a projection.

 

Unfortunately for Trout, it's another year where Pujols is hitting next to him. Sure hope that's not the case these next 5 years

[Broad Street]

I've said it before, I'll say it again. Werth has a full no trade clause, so its not even an option. They'd probably make either Revere or Taylor available, most likely Revere.

[DMVol]

I've said it before, I'll say it again. Werth has a full no trade clause, so its not even an option. They'd probably make either Revere or Taylor available, most likely Revere.

Why would you trade for Revere and then immeditely turn around and trade him somewhere else?

[Broad Street]

Why would you trade for Revere and then immeditely turn around and trade him somewhere else?

Who else would you trade? You can try and get Werth to waive his no trade clause, but good luck finding suitors. Would you trade Taylor?

[Angel Oracle]

Werth might as well be his twin, WWE's Edge.

That's how bad Werth has gotten to be, and for $20 million/season.    Might as well be Hackilwhiff.   

[Chuck]

Trade them Wilson for Michael Taylor. Their 5th starter is not that great in Tanner Roark. Their 4th starter is really young and inexperienced. 

 

Anyhow, Taylor possesses really good defense, power/speed combo. 

 

The only negative is his plate discipline thus far in the big leagues.

 

Though his minor league slash line (OBP) isn't that bad. 

 

.263/.337/.429/.766

[Chuck]

The lineup is not bad the way it is currently setup, but only against righties. If Gentry is Nava's platoon partner, you better hope one of Trout, Calhoun, Cron or Pujols can deliver some production.  

 

Escobar

Nava

Trout

Pujols

Calhoun

Cron

Simmons

Perez

Giavotella

 

Against lefties.

 

Escobar

Giavotella

Trout

Pujols

Calhoun

Cron

Simmons

Perez

Gentry

[Jay]

I don't see how we can move Wilson really.

 

If we get to spring training and Wilson is pitching well then we should probably keep him.

 

If he's not pitching well then who will want him?

[Broad Street]

Wilson won't get moved, especially for a young cost controlled outfielder. Now, if Werth were to waive his no trade clause and we became a match, I could see Wilson getting moved to help offset salary. That being said, if Wilson is pitching well in Spring Training, keep him. It's not like we have a ton of pitching.

[Troll Daddy]

I prefer Simmons in the #2 spot IF it came down to Gia or Nava. Good situational hitter who doesn't strikeout or walk much w/some pop.

[ABC]

Ken Rosenthal â€@Ken_Rosenthal  15m15 minutes ago

Sources: #Nationals’ offer to Cespedes is for five years. #Mets unwilling to go beyond three. Dollars not known.

 

 

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[Angel Oracle]

Then offer Cespedes 5 years/$95 million with an opt out after 3 seasons.

[Stradling]

I prefer Simmons in the #2 spot IF it came down to Gia or Nava. Good situational hitter who doesn't strikeout or walk much w/some pop.

No way in hell do we bat him 2nd until he shows he can take a walk. I would literally prefer Nava batting 2nd, and that's saying a lot.

[Troll Daddy]

No way in hell do we bat him 2nd until he shows he can take a walk. I would literally prefer Nava batting 2nd, and that's saying a lot.

Easy there skippy

[disarcina]

we're not getting Cespedes -- wonder where this stands with other clubs?

 

Cespedes must have some 'clubhouse' issues or something -- has been with about four different clubs in three years.

 

But he's been a leader on each of those teams -- never did understand the very un-Billy Beane like deal that sent Cespedes -- with another year left on his contract -- from the A's to Boston for renting Lester -- a gamble that certainly did not work out for the A's......the division leading A's playing great ball fell off sharply the day Cespedes left their line up showing his true value to the team.......Lester didn't help much and was, predictably, GONE.

 

Cespedes then did well with Boston, the Tigers and really led the Mets team all the way to world series last season once he got dealt there.

 

Cespedes is likely holding out for too much -- but if his price comes down -- some team will get a deal with him and he'll help lead that team to wins.

 

He's done it everywhere he's gone --- I still remember that great throw from LF to the plate that he made against the Angels when he was with the then Division leading A's........the drop off when Cespedes left the A's was significant.