Utah judge removes lesbian couple's foster child, saying she'll be better off with heterosexuals

[Jay]

Just because I disagree with him doesn't mean I don't want to hear what he has to say.

So anyway...how about a liberal judge taking a baby away from a Christian couple just because they're Christian?

 

If in the judge's ruling he gave "Christians" as the only or primary reason for removing the child from foster care then that judge would have some explaining to do.  Same as the judge in this case.

 

But I would be willing to listen.

[gotbeer]

It'll be interesting to hear the judge defend his initial decision and then his reversal of that decision.

 

I think it went like this.

 

Mormon Church:  Dude, you aren't helping.

Judge:  Ok, I'll change my mind.  

[Adam]

lol prolly

[Kevin]

I think it went like this.

Mormon Church: Dude, you aren't helping.

Judge: Ok, I'll change my mind.

Mormon Church: We've got our own problems. You're on your own.

[juansavage1]

He's actually the textbook definition of a bigot and he using his authority to enforce his bigotry.

What if a liberal judge took a kid away from a Christian couple simply because they were Christians?

The answer is this: 

 

Any time a judge makes a decision, he has to have certain criteria. He has to judge things based on values. It can't just be food and shelter because men don't live by bread alone. You wouldn't object to a judge taking a kid away from a Nazi family, would you? You wouldn't say, "Well, as long as he's fed." 

 

The question is what standards we're going to use. 

[juansavage1]

Along with your preferred arrangement for other things. 

He'd like it to be arranged like a sandwich. 

[Kevin]

The answer is this:

Any time a judge makes a decision, he has to have certain criteria. He has to judge things based on values. It can't just be food and shelter because men don't live by bread alone. You wouldn't object to a judge taking a kid away from a Nazi family, would you? You wouldn't say, "Well, as long as he's fed."

The question is what standards we're going to use.

Can we return to reality?

[nate]

In Juan's world gays and Nazis are the same thing.

[Glen]

The answer is this: 

 

Any time a judge makes a decision, he has to have certain criteria. He has to judge things based on values. It can't just be food and shelter because men don't live by bread alone. You wouldn't object to a judge taking a kid away from a Nazi family, would you? You wouldn't say, "Well, as long as he's fed." 

 

The question is what standards we're going to use. 

 

 

That was a lot of words to not answer the question in any way.

[Blarg]

Just because I disagree with him doesn't mean I don't want to hear what he has to say.

So anyway...how about a liberal judge taking a baby away from a Christian couple just because they're Christian?

 

Depends, are they drug addicts, have no means of support, a list of child endangerment charges or just live in Mission Viejo?

[Angelsjunky]

LOL. Juan actually resorted to Godwin's Law.

[juansavage1]

In Juan's world gays and Nazis are the same thing.

Ah, that familiar argument style. Simple question: Would you deny a loving couple of Nazis a foster child? If so, you're using values. In this case, you have an antipathy towards Nazis. 

[juansavage1]

LOL. Juan actually resorted to Godwin's Law.

I would say communists, but you'd probably give them preference. 

[RallyMo]

The answer is this:

Any time a judge makes a decision, he has to have certain criteria. He has to judge things based on values. It can't just be food and shelter because men don't live by bread alone. You wouldn't object to a judge taking a kid away from a Nazi family, would you? You wouldn't say, "Well, as long as he's fed."

The question is what standards we're going to use.

I think your transparent trolling is pretty amusing usually, but now you're just being an asshole. Stop being an asshole.

[nate]

Ah, that familiar argument style. Simple question: Would you deny a loving couple of Nazis a foster child? If so, you're using values. In this case, you have an antipathy towards Nazis. 

 

No, I am using not allowing a child to live with someone whose ethos is systematic elimination of a race.

[Kevin]

Has any one ever heard of a homosexual troll? Is it possible because I think Juan may be one.

[juansavage1]

No, I am using not allowing a child to live with someone whose ethos is systematic elimination of a race.

Ok. Then, you think there are beliefs that are unacceptable. If you're against the nazi analogy, what about people who have multiple sex partners?

[juansavage1]

I think your transparent trolling is pretty amusing usually, but now you're just being an asshole. Stop being an asshole.

I'm an asshole? Why?

[nate]

If there are people who equate murder with being gay then I think they shouldn't have children.

 

Can you not tell the difference between hate and a non christian lifestyle?

[nate]

What if a Jewish judge took a child away from its parents because they weren't raising the kid kosher?  Acceptable?

[juansavage1]

If there are people who equate murder with being gay then I think they shouldn't have children.

Can you not tell the difference between hate and a non christian lifestyle?

What about a promiscuous woman? Would you deny her?

[juansavage1]

What if a Jewish judge took a child away from its parents because they weren't raising the kid kosher? Acceptable?

No. Not acceptable. There are cases in England where kids were taken away because the parents taught traditional beliefs on homosexuality? What think you?

[Jay]

You guys are getting slightly off track because these are foster parents who are paid by the state.

[nate]

No. Not acceptable. There are cases in England where kids were taken away because the parents taught traditional beliefs on homosexuality? What think you?

 

Traditional beliefs on homosexuality?  You mean like, there is nothing wrong with it?  The example I used about being kosher is the same you are using.  To orthodox Jews eating non kosher foods is a sin.

 

I definitely wouldn't care if a promiscuous woman adopted a child as long as she provided for and took care of that child.

[wopphil]

The standard for foster parents should be whether they provide a stable, nurturing, safe home where the kid's well-being is a top priority. Until we get to the point where we have an excess of foster parents who meet this description, we shouldn't be using sexuality as a criteria for determining fitness to be a foster parent.