Joe Maddon leaving Rays

[Stradling]

Hey guys whats new?

[Angels]

You pretty much said it yourself. Wilson, Hamilton, bunts...and the team looking flat. Whether it's fair or not that's on Scioscia. If he's going to get credit for their success then he should also shoulder the blame for their failures.

And I disagree about Wilson. He was one of the worst pitchers in baseball from the end of May all the way to the bitter end. He had no business starting.

Playing Hammy every single game was a disaster.

The bunt was beyond stupid.

Wilson took us out of Game 3. Hamilton did nothing. And the bunts might've lost us the game.

Yah, awful managing.

Edited October 24, 2014 by Angels

[T.G.]

I seem to remember someone talking about obsessions in another thread... Who was that?

[Stradling]

I see Angels is doing his hybrid impersonation of marsaka/homebrewer/and trolldaddy. That is fun stuff. 2002 doesn't count because it is too long ago. So if we look at this year during the regular season it doesn't count because, well it wasn't the post season. Hell I love Maddon, and would take him in a second, but this constant Scioscia bashing after a season like this is borderline delusional. He bunted twice, started Hamilton three times and started CJ. Does that about cover it? Big F'ing deal when the rest of your offense took a shit. I am sure if Maddon was here he would have told Trout, Howie and everyone else to not suck, and we would be playing in the series right now.

[mtangelsfan]

they say don't live in the past when it comes to Sosh but isn't that exactly what they are doing with Maddon?  If I look at Maddon this year his team sucked.

[Angels]

So how much longer should the Angels postseason failures be tolerated before a change in leadership is considered?

Say the Angels win the division next year and then lose in the first round yet again. Pretty sure you would still be wanting him to manage in 2016.

I don't think 10-22 since that one year is acceptable or something to be proud of.

Edited October 24, 2014 by Angels

[Blarg]

So 1 world series championship will carry you for 20 years in Anaheim

 

Well, it is one more than in Tampa Bay.

[Stradling]

Raise your hand if you are proud of being 10-22 since "that one year"? Keep it up rainman.

[Angels]

You must be fine with it. After all, that's Scioscia's record. And I guess the Angels can't do better, right? So why fire Scioscia and see what another manager can do? May as well stick with him?

[Amazing Larry]

I thought this thread was supposed to be about Maddon?

[nando714]

Well, it is one more than in Tampa Bay.

I didn't mention anything about Tampa bay.

Let's take Terry francona for instance the guy breaks the curse of the bambino wins what 2 titles? And he still got canned

If he got canned wouldn't surprise me if Sosh ever got canned.

Or are our expectations as a franchise is "just making it to October" and not succeeding there?

[Ohtaniland]

Dear Arte,

 

Get rid of Scioscia and Hamilton then call me. 1-800-GET-RING

 

 

 

Signed,

Joe Maddon

[Angels]

I didn't mention anything about Tampa bay.

Let's take Terry francona for instance the guy breaks the curse of the bambino wins what 2 titles? And he still got canned

If he got canned wouldn't surprise me if Sosh ever got canned.

Or are our expectations as a franchise is "just making it to October" and not succeeding there?

Some fans are content with being perennial losers in the postseason. No accountability whatsoever. Scioscia's clubs can suck all they want in the real season/October, apparently.

Let's also not forget that this was the first year the Angels made the postseason in five years.

[Bruce Nye]

I'm sure there are a lot of Red Sox players who would be surprised to learn that it was Francona and not them that won the WS titles.  One can learn a lot in this Forum.

 

Should the Tigers, A's, Orioles, Cards, Pirates and Dodgers fire their managers?  

[Jeff Fletcher]

Scioscia's record in the division series is 3-4

In the LCS its 1-2

In the World Series it's 1-0.

[Angels]

2002 inflates that. A 10-22 record since then shows that. Or a 31.25% winning percentage.

[Stradling]

You must be fine with it. After all, that's Scioscia's record. And I guess the Angels can't do better, right? So why fire Scioscia and see what another manager can do? May as well stick with him?

How does it feel to come into another thread and derail it while being a troll? Of course I would rather have a better record, we all would like a better record. The difference is you think it is Scioscia's fault while I think he is only partially to blame. I would have zero problem if Arte fired Mike and hired Maddon. Even though that is how I feel, I won't say things that simply aren't true just to make my point. Scioscia is not the reason the bats sucked, he is at least part of the reason CJ pitched and Hamilton played.

[Angels]

Baseball is a "what have you done for me lately?" sport. Usually. Just not in this case.

[bloodbrother]

If Maddon goes to the Cubs that team could be fun to watch in a few years with all their prospects being up

[Stradling]

2002 inflates that. A 10-22 record since then shows that. Or a 31.25% winning percentage.

Yes and Maddons visit to the WS inflates his success.

[Ohtaniland]

Maddon would be a perfect fit in Seattle.

[ScottT]

I dont understand why people here think maddon is so perfect.

 

I don't understand why people exaggerate so drastically, focus on extremes, and feed attention whores. 

[ELEVEN]

Clubs have been changing front office hierarchy to fit in guys they want. Maybe Joe becomes Manager of Dugout Operations and Mike takes on Manager of Clubhouse Operations.

Lasagna.

Pubes.

[Stradling]

Attention whore would be a good name on here.

[Angels]

He's the manager, though. He is responsible for getting these guys ready to win in the postseason. And he should shoulder the blame for their failures. Fair or not, he's the leader. For whatever reason his teams have failed in the postseason. Whatever he is doing is not working.

Maybe it's time to let someone else give it a go?