Kazmir

[BleedRed]

Anyone notice that kaz is 3-0 with a 1.6 era? Maybe a's pitching coach is a genius or maybe butcher doesn't cut it.

[Stradling]

Yawn

[SoWhat]

So what're you guys having for lunch?

[Tank]

i'm having lunch at medieval times next tuesday.

 

 

 

 

no, not with kazmir.

[mtangelsfan]

As long as Kazmir is successful there needs to be a constant dialogue as to why he failed here so horribly and why and how is is successful again.

It may be annoying, but it's necessary.

 

or Atlanta?

[CaliAngel]

I think it's been pretty obvious for a while that Butcher doesn't cut it.

 

We bring in a reliever and the first thing they do is walk the batter. Their first pitches to batters tend to be a ball instead of a strike and that's ridiculous.

 

Constantly falling behind batters is not going to make for a successful bullpen, and as we've seen the results for the past 4 years, isn't going to help this team win close ballgames.

 

How it has not been fixed by now is unacceptable. Literally all that needs to be done is for our relievers to THROW STRIKES AND LET THEM GET THEMSELVES OUT and stop giving away base runners because WALKS WILL KILL YOU in the long run. Really, our relievers beat themselves.

[Taylor]

Obvious troll thread is obvious.

[Inside Pitch]

As long as Kazmir is successful there needs to be a constant dialogue as to why he failed here so horribly and why and how is is successful again.

It may be annoying, but it's necessary.

 

I guess its necessary only if a person is incapable of understanding that he was hurt and incapable of throwing as he had in the past.  His arm was mush, the only thing that was going to fix him was good health.   It was pretty clear in 2010 he was over-throwing to try to keep his velocity up -- everything flattened out and he had no clue where the ball was headed.  

 

http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=4897&position=P#pfxpitchvelocity

 

People tend to act like he went to Cleveland and they changed what he was doing -- they didn't.  He showed up and could throw again -- the end.

[stormngt]

It's pretty clear why Kazmir is pitching well. He saw Colon ' s nutritionist.

Edited April 29, 2014 by stormngt

[tdawg87]

Hey guys, guess who Kazmir's pitching coach was in Tampa during his best years? Go ahead, guess.

[Jobu]

Hey guys, guess who Kazmir's pitching coach was in Tampa during his best years? Go ahead, guess.

Oh, I've got this one! Ahem... That's only because of Joe Maddon. He's a genius that overcame Butcher's deficiencies with cool slogans and subliminal coaching tricks. Only Scioscia would actually let Butcher coach.

Did I do that right?

[fan_since79]

Ervin Santana

3-0

1.95 ERA

31 SO, 5 BB

0.976 WHIP

 

Dan Haren

3-0

2.03 ERA

27 SO, 4 BB

 

K-Rod

12 Saves, 0.00 ERA, 15 IP, 22 SO, 4 BB

 

LaTroy Hawkins

8 Saves, 2.61 ERA, 0.968 WHIP

 

 

[tdawg87]

Haren sucked balls last year though.

[RallyMo]

Speed, baby.

He was clearly throwing while hurt in the back end of his time with the Angels.

Also, he had nearly a 5 ERA with the Rays in 2009 before heading to Anaheim.

He had an ERA over 4 last year.

Aaaand...it's not even Cinco De Mayo yet.

Edited April 29, 2014 by RallyMo

[mtangelsfan]

Hey guys, guess who Kazmir's pitching coach was in Tampa during his best years? Go ahead, guess.

This will be ignored: 

 

and you will get this:

 

Ervin Santana

3-0

1.95 ERA

31 SO, 5 BB

0.976 WHIP

 

Dan Haren

3-0

2.03 ERA

27 SO, 4 BB

 

K-Rod

12 Saves, 0.00 ERA, 15 IP, 22 SO, 4 BB

 

LaTroy Hawkins

8 Saves, 2.61 ERA, 0.968 WHIP

[Richard]

YAWN.

 

 

What I want to know is if he's got a PS4 or XBOX ONE.

[Adam]

Weaver, CJ, Skaggs and Richards seem to like Butcher

[Stradling]

As long as Kazmir is successful there needs to be a constant dialogue as to why he failed here so horribly and why and how is is successful again.

It may be annoying, but it's necessary.

No it's not necessary. He pitched like hell while he was here, then went to another team pitched like hell. Then he took two years off and regained some of what he once was. That would be the equivalent of being pissed at the Angels for Colons recent success. Should they have signed him to an extension way back when in hopes he would come back strong years later? The guy sucked here and it isn't the Angels fault. He was just bad.

[Stradling]

I'm pretty sure CubsWin is pissed that they didn't hold onto Roy Hobbs for those 15 or so years when he disappeared from baseball.

[Angelsjunky]

It's worth considering why so many ex-Angels pitchers end up re-finding their peak form elsewhere, or at least improving.

[mtangelsfan]

It's worth considering why so many ex-Angels pitchers end up re-finding their peak form elsewhere, or at least improving.

 

Only if the number is truly higher than any other team, which I highly doubt but am not interested enough in to actually research.

[Chuck]

 

I guess its necessary only if a person is incapable of understanding that he was hurt and incapable of throwing as he had in the past.  His arm was mush, the only thing that was going to fix him was good health.   It was pretty clear in 2010 he was over-throwing to try to keep his velocity up -- everything flattened out and he had no clue where the ball was headed.  

 

http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=4897&position=P#pfxpitchvelocity

 

People tend to act like he went to Cleveland and they changed what he was doing -- they didn't.  He showed up and could throw again -- the end.

 

 

 

His arm and head were mush at that time. I know, I had a beer with him at the Fox Sports Grill in Seattle. 

[Docwaukee]

Kazmir was damaged goods who the Halos obtained for what has now amounted to a very solid Lefty reliever (one we could certainly use) in Alex Torres.  Matt Sweeney flamed out hard and Sean Rodriguez is essentially a replacement level utility infielder. 

 

Granted, at the time, those three guys were well thought of enough to where you could have gotten something actually helpful in return. 

 

he had about a 1mph fastball velo drop in progressive seasons until early in 2011 in just a few games, it was down to 86mph.

 

While I am not a huge butcher fan, this wasn't his fault.  He was dealt a horrible hand. 

[Blarg]

Excuse me but I can't find any MLB stats for Scott Kazmir from April 4th, 2011 through all of the 2012 season. I'm certain those stats will show Scott's improvement immediately after being DFA'ed by the Angels. If anyone can rustle those up I would appreciate it.

[ten ocho recon scout]

I'm pretty sure CubsWin is pissed that they didn't hold onto Roy Hobbs for those 15 or so years when he disappeared from baseball.

I cant tell. I tried to enter cubs win into my google search and google said 'are you sure you didnt mean...'