Weaver is not an ace anymore

[ettin]

All I know is this: When I see Weaver as the starting pitcher on gameday I have a high degree of confidence that he will go out and compete as good as any pitcher in the league and give us a good chance to score a victory. He has never been a dominating velocity guy but what he has been is a very intelligent, crafty pitch artist with the ability to mix up speeds and location combined with pinpoint accuracy.

[rick99gtp]

More knee jerk commentary.

 

He's still an ace.

 

Totally agree.  What, Aces don't have bumps in the road?

[T.G.]

Weaver isn't a 1... he's about a 1.2322347

[ELEVEN]

Weaver gives even this team a chance to win.

[Angel Oracle]

If they could engineer a Kendrick for Zach Lee trade, I could be happy with a rotation going forward of: 

Weaver, Wilson, Richards, Vargas, Lee.

Especially if a new pitching oriented manager (coughBlackcough) and real pitching coach came aboard

[YouthofToday]

I am not questioning Weaver's grittiness, willingness to win, courage to compete or his passion to fight for what's right. He is a man who isn't even close to 40 yet.

[Troutipoo27]

Kershaw, Harvey, Jose Fernandez (Mia), Strasburg, Wainwright, king Felix, Scherzer, Verlander, Darvish, Cliff Lee, Price > Weaver

Good argument would have Hamels, Feancisco Liriano, Greinke and others > Weaver.

He is not a top 10 SP. he is still a front-line starter.

not strasburg

[FireThemAll]

not strasburg

 

Strasburg is much better than Weaver at this point.

[disarcina]

Weaver's been on the DL --

 

Hopefully he can bounce back big next year.

 

I think he can still pitch like an ace.

 

But this season, Weaver seemed to have troubles from the start of the season -- some of you may have been at that pre-season game he started against Oakland at Phoenix Municipal Stadium -- it was on the day of the ST Fan Fest event -- Weaver got lit up big time by the A's.......I think he gave up 3 or 4 HRs including back to back shots........he was gone by about the third inning and gave up 9 runs or something........it was very uncharacteristic J. Weaver and at one point he seemed to cop an attitude more like his brother, Jeff "Mope" Weaver.  He looked like a guy who got he short straw and had to take the bus from Tempe to make the start on a hot mid-March Saturday in Phoenix.

 

then the Halos got off to another slow start in April and pretty soon after that, Weaver was on the DL.

 

TIme to turn the page.........actually it's been page turning time since June.

[Tank]

Weaver sucks!

 

Bourjos can't hit!

 

something something Mike Scioscia's lasagna.

 

The girl smelling Josh Hamilton's hair in the Head and Shoulders commercial is a witch and siphoned his baseball soul.

 

Assuming new thread topics will continue to devolve as we spiral into the final month of this trainwreck season, I can't wait to see what people come up with next month.

Mathis cERA!!!!!

[Mark68]

Strasburg is much better than Weaver at this point.

Strasburg is a much better pitcher with much better stuff, but is still very immature. If Strasburg had Weaver's tenacity and grit, he would be a Top 3 pitcher.

[Troutipoo27]

Strasburg is much better than Weaver at this point.

he hasn't even played a whole season yet. How can you say that? Once Strasbourg goes 20-5 with a sub 3 era then il consider him an ace. Weaver has never had arm problems. Strasburg missed a year in a half. Weavers made 30 starts 3 of the past 4 years strasburg has never had a 30 start season. Weaver has thrown 150+innings 6 times in his career including 3 200+ season strasburg has failed to eclipse 160.

[NrM]

he hasn't even played a whole season yet. How can you say that? Once Strasbourg goes 20-5 with a sub 3 era then il consider him an ace. Weaver has never had arm problems. Strasburg missed a year in a half. Weavers made 30 starts 3 of the past 4 years strasburg has never had a 30 start season. Weaver has thrown 150+innings 6 times in his career including 3 200+ season strasburg has failed to eclipse 160.

Strasburg is putting together a cy young quality year this year. Weaver's skills are in decline. There's no reason to take Weaver over strasburg,

[NrM]

If Weaver can get his velocity back up for next season, I can see him pitching like an ace again, but there's no way he's going to be as dominating with his 86 MPH fastball.

[xboom28x]

If Weaver can get his velocity back up for next season, I can see him pitching like an ace again, but there's no way he's going to be as dominating with his 86 MPH fastball.

 

Greg Maddux disagrees with your post

[Angel Oracle]

Maddox never had a game where he only maxed out at 86, at least until he reached 40 probably.

At Weaver's age, he was still maxing out at 93.

[FireThemAll]

Greg Maddux disagrees with your post

 

You're comparing Weaver to the exception not the rule. Maddux was a generational talent the way he controlled, and located the ball. Weaver is a great pitcher, but not close to that level.

[Angel Oracle]

Weaver is at his best when maxing out at 90 and sitting at 87-89.

[xboom28x]

Weaver is at his best when maxing out at 90 and sitting at 87-89.

 

Which he has done for a majority of this season. He doesn't sit at 86 for more than a game or 2 during a bad stretch. Everyone suffers from fatigue every now and then. This isn't Atari. Your favorite guy isn't going to throw exactly the same every time out.

[xboom28x]

You're comparing Weaver to the exception not the rule. Maddux was a generational talent the way he controlled, and located the ball. Weaver is a great pitcher, but not close to that level.

 

Going by the rule, if Felix Hernandez was a Free Agent, what kind of contract would you give him?

[Troll Daddy]

Jared Weaver will eventually become Jeff Weaver ... all in the family

[rageous]

Jered Weaver's fastball velocity

2013  2012  2011

87.3   88.4   89.2

 

See a trend there?

[Docwaukee]

I am not sure why it matters whether he is or isn't. 

[xboom28x]

Jered Weaver's fastball velocity

2013  2012  2011

87.3   88.4   89.2

 

See a trend there?

 

Look up every major league "Ace" and you will see the same trends.

[CaliAngel]

This thread and the OP is a joke.

 

Weave hits a bump in the rode for a game or 2 and poozy jumps in to get punches in on a "Weaver is not an ace" thread. Absolute BS.

 

Skip that August 14th fluke, and Jared has allowed 38 earned runs this season in 19 appearances. That's 2 runs per game average.

 

If that's not an ace, I'm not sure what is.

 

Way to try to throw water on one of the only fires left on the team poozy, a guy that goes out there and give 110% every time he takes the mound. Truly not sure what kind of fan you think you are.