Official 2021-22 Hot Stove League Thread.

[UndertheHalo]

Ya ok.  I’m really glad this team that’s very serious about winning asap is going to do this experiment.  
 

like I said before.  I like getting this guy.  But lol at this.  What ? What are we doing now Perry ? 

[mmc]

 

[UndertheHalo]

Just now, mmc said:

 

Haha 

[UndertheHalo]

 

cool.  That’s awesome man.  

[Vlad27Trout27]

So, just to recap our off-season for the time being;

We replaced Noah with Bundy...That big Plus, Unless Noah can't pitch

We're replaced Cobb with Lorenzen.....Why the fuck could we not pay Cobb and addition 3 mil and an extra year? The only year Lorenzen was a starter. he produced a negative War????

Resigned Iglesias, so that's big!

Signed Loup and another big. 

Still there so many what if? like why the fuck did we waste 7 mil on Lorenzan? when Cobb basically had solid season, abit he was injured.

I still don't trust the Bp, we need a SS, and a backup C...

What left?

I wouldn't mind bringing back Cishek and Watson, Maybe offer Simmons a minor league deal, with a shot to win the SS duties...Than don't resign Suzuki

[Docwaukee]

1 minute ago, mmc said:

 

I wish he was as aggressive as Eppler.  

[Vlad27Trout27]

Just now, Dochalo said:

I wish he was as aggressive as Eppler.  

i wished we had an Owner that is actually willing to win and do anything to win! Window is closing. 

[Inside Pitch]

15 minutes ago, Chuckster70 said:

I completely disagree. 

Chuck, three different guys, all of them scouting and player acquisition people have flat out told me they aren't sold on Detmer's velocity spike and that they there is no consensus on whether or not Bachman is a starter -- he checks all the boxes for them, but he's not thrown enough.   Anyway the phrased used was "we view them as being more quantity that quality".   

It's not even a slam on those guys, it's more about the things the Cinci scouting dept holds in regard..   They love power, both arms and bats.  They have zero issues with a guy striking out 300 times if he makes hard contact, which is likely why they have Adell at the very top of their list.  They can deal with control issues so long as the guy has over the top velo.   When you look at all the guys the Angels have picked off from them in recent years they all either threw hard or were spin dudes, but across the board most had control issues.

[mmc]

 

[Docwaukee]

here's a fun fact.  Even if Lorenzen and Syndergaard are awesome this year, we get to start all over again next off season.  

[Junkballer]

9 minutes ago, Angelsjunky said:

Even more so that's a big no. My over/under for Sandoval's WAR in 2022 is probably something like 2.5, whereas Castillo is something like 3.5. That 1 WAR difference is not worth losing Marsh or Adell for.

In addition to Marsh/Adell's cost controlled years, the years of Paris, for two years of Castillo.  There has to be some balance between going for the Trout/Ohtani window and mortgaging the future.

[UndertheHalo]

3 minutes ago, Inside Pitch said:

Chuck, three different guys, all of them scouting and player acquisition people have flat out told me they aren't sold on Detmer's velocity spike and that they there is no consensus on whether or not Bachman is a starter -- he checks all the boxes for them, but he's not thrown enough.   Anyway the phrased used was "we view them as being more quantity that quality".   

It's not even a slam on those guys, it's more about the things the Cinci scouting dept holds in regard..   They love power, both arms and bats.  They have zero issues with a guy striking out 300 times if he makes hard contact, which is likely why they have Adell at the very top of their list.  They can deal with control issues so long as the guy has over the top velo.   When you look at all the guys the Angels have picked off from them in recent years they all either threw hard or were spin dudes, but across the board most had control issues.

Wouldn’t it be weird for him to just lose velocity ?

[Docwaukee]

6 minutes ago, mmc said:

 

kinda feels like a guy who's done.  No?

[mmc]

 

[Jason]

1 minute ago, Dochalo said:

kinda feels like a guy who's done.  No?

It does 

[Chuck]

6 minutes ago, Inside Pitch said:

Chuck, three different guys, all of them scouting and player acquisition people have flat out told me they aren't sold on Detmer's velocity spike and that they there is no consensus on whether or not Bachman is a starter -- he checks all the boxes for them, but he's not thrown enough.   Anyway the phrased used was "we view them as being more quantity that quality".   

It's not even a slam on those guys, it's more about the things the Cinci scouting dept holds in regard..   They love power, both arms and bats.  They have zero issues with a guy striking out 300 times if he makes hard contact, which is likely why they have Adell at the very top of their list.  They can deal with control issues so long as the guy has over the top velo.   When you look at all the guys the Angels have picked off from them in recent years they all either threw hard or were spin dudes, but across the board most had control issues.

The good news is, every scouting and player acquisition people for each organization have different views and scouting reports on players. 

Unless of course you're referring to the Reds scouting and acquisition people. Then I stand down. 

[Inside Pitch]

1 minute ago, UndertheHalo said:

Wouldn’t it be weird for him to just lose velocity ?

Detmers?

He saw a big uptick in the minors last year, then averaged 92.3 MPH in his short time in Anaheim.  Fatigue likely a factor but, those are the sorts of things these tools type obsess about.  Remember the concerns about Kumar and his velocity going up and down throughout his college career?

[UndertheHalo]

2 minutes ago, Dochalo said:

kinda feels like a guy who's done.  No?

Wash rinse repeat.  This is the same bullshit we hear every year from whatever suit Arte has in charge.  Lol this is very different from tone he was giving off a few weeks ago. 

[Chuck]

3 minutes ago, Dochalo said:

kinda feels like a guy who's done.  No?

Nope. 

 

[Inside Pitch]

1 minute ago, Chuckster70 said:

The good news is, every scouting and player acquisition people for each organization have different views and scouting reports on players. 

Unless of course you're referring to the Reds scouting and acquisition people. Then I stand down. 

Everything I've said is coming from three different people all with the Reds.    They are a POWER POWER POWER org.

[Vlad27Trout27]

Found this to be interesting, don't really know much about MLBNERDS, but found this interesting. They have Sandy at number 45, ans Noah at 50....Cobb is there at 48. 

[Chuck]

1 minute ago, Inside Pitch said:

Detmers?

He saw a big uptick in the minors last year, then averaged 92.3 MPH in his short time in Anaheim.  Fatigue likely a factor but, those are the sorts of things these tools type obsess about.  Remember the concerns about Kumar and his velocity going up and down throughout his college career?

The good news is the Angels drafted Reid Detmers knowing FB velo wasn't his strongest weapon. The uptick resulted in a high K rate, but he can still at worst be a Joe Saunders type which would be huge for the Angels. 

[bloodbrother]

5 minutes ago, Dochalo said:

kinda feels like a guy who's done.  No?

They'll add some backend SP on a cheap 1yr $5M deal and then maybe another middle reliever. That's about it

[Vlad27Trout27]

Am I the only one that wouldn't like us to trade Marsh,Adell,Detmers, or Bauchman? 

I rather wait and see how we do before making a move mid season!

[Junkballer]

2 minutes ago, bloodbrother said:

They'll add some backend SP on a cheap 1yr $5M deal and then maybe another middle reliever. That's about it

Better than trading Marsh/Adell before the trade deadline.