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The Official Houston Astros Sign Stealing Data


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Saw that briefly earlier and want to look at it more later.  Noticed a couple things right away. 

If this  accurate, they started out slowly, but incidents quickly skyrocketed after a bit.

People are sill using ANA to refer to the Angels.  There's more than one merchandise website that still uses the full "Anaheim Angels" name.   Wacky.

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7 minutes ago, Chuckster70 said:

Really good thread to follow off that tweet.

 

 

3 minutes ago, Pancake Bear said:

Just a reminder: The system generally went with no bang as I understand it when the pitch was a fastball. So even when there was no bang, they were getting information.

Makes sense, because many hitters usually plan for and sit on a pitchers fastball since most starters throw them a large percentage of the time. Saving the bangs for off-speed and breaking balls not only lowers the amount of "bang" noise that needs to be made but also plays to the percentages.

Sneaky f*ck*ng bastards!!!!

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59 minutes ago, ten ocho recon scout said:

What kind of dork sits through 8,200 hundred pitches? 

And worse, admits to it?     

I'm sure that website has scored him *lots* of dates ...

Anyway, as noted the #'s should be doubled (roughly) - no bangs indicate a FB.

It would be a *lot* more useful if someone were to collate the data such that "on ab's where pitch signaling was found, player A had an OPS .125 higher than his season average."

We know they cheated (and they took it seriously enough that I bet there was more involved than banging on a trash can) - so more importantly, what did the cheating gain them? 

I think the penalty they received was calibrated to simply trying to cheat - I think MLB should've evaluated the effect of it all - and the punishments based on them successfully cheating.

 

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30 minutes ago, DCAngelsFan said:

And worse, admits to it?     

I'm sure that website has scored him *lots* of dates ...

Anyway, as noted the #'s should be doubled (roughly) - no bangs indicate a FB.

It would be a *lot* more useful if someone were to collate the data such that "on ab's where pitch signaling was found, player A had an OPS .125 higher than his season average."

We know they cheated (and they took it seriously enough that I bet there was more involved than banging on a trash can) - so more importantly, what did the cheating gain them? 

I think the penalty they received was calibrated to simply trying to cheat - I think MLB should've evaluated the effect of it all - and the punishments based on them successfully cheating.

 

 

 

You could do this with the data provided. I'm sure someone will have soon enough.

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10 hours ago, AngelsLakersFan said:

You could do this with the data provided. I'm sure someone will have soon enough.

I could - but you underestimate my innate laziness 😉

I'm sure someone will - some fangraphs contributor will take a stab at quantifying the effect.

But my point was that was MLB's job - the report seems to conclude the practice was ineffective, that it was abandoned by the players b/c it was ineffective - and I can believe that.  

But that seemed to be based entirely on player interviews, who would, of course, downplay the effect - they should have done this analysis themselves.   

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I looked up their overall offensive numbers before and after 5/28, which is the day that the banging really began. 
 

Their wRC+ went from about 111 to 124 at home.

Of course, it also went from about 112 to 125 on the road. 
 

So, either they were also stealing signs on the road, or there were other non-sign-stealing factors that were responsible for the improvement. 

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10 hours ago, Dochalo said:

porky's movie quote newb.  Nevermind.  AO will get it.  

the boys of angel beach appreciate your contribution.

especially pee wee.

anyone know where my dirty sweat socks are? i need to see my PE teacher.

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1 hour ago, Jeff Fletcher said:

I looked up their overall offensive numbers before and after 5/28, which is the day that the banging really began. 
 

Their wRC+ went from about 111 to 124 at home.

Of course, it also went from about 112 to 125 on the road. 
 

So, either they were also stealing signs on the road, or there were other non-sign-stealing factors that were responsible for the improvement. 

all the data teams were using to try to determine how to get them out is tainted.  other teams tracking probably saw certain pitches as less effective and avoided throwing them in certain situations.  

would be tough to parse that out with data, but my theory is that the entire dynamic changes regardless of home or road.  

data showing me that you hit .360 on a curveball in a 1-2 count, guess what I'm not throwing you.  

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2 hours ago, Jeff Fletcher said:

I looked up their overall offensive numbers before and after 5/28, which is the day that the banging really began. 
 

Their wRC+ went from about 111 to 124 at home.

Of course, it also went from about 112 to 125 on the road. 
 

So, either they were also stealing signs on the road, or there were other non-sign-stealing factors that were responsible for the improvement. 

I think they were definitely cheating on the road, using the replay camera and buzzers or hand signals.

 

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Interesting article in the Athletic today about all of this. Worth the read if you have a sub. Here’s a quote to think about. 
 

Four of their returning hitters made remarkable improvements in their ability to lay off those pitches. Marwin González went, incredibly, from a 40-percent swing rate to just 10 percent … Carlos Correa improved from 27 percent to 15 percent … Jake Marisnick dropped from 30 percent to 13 percent … George Springer went from 18 percent to 12 percent. We’ll mention here that according to Tony Adams’ work at signstealingscandal.com, those four players were among the Astros who were at bat for the highest percentage of trash-can bangs that season. 

https://theathletic.com/1573075/2020/01/31/does-electronic-sign-stealing-work-the-astros-numbers-are-eye-popping/?amp

 

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