OC Register: Billy Eppler vows to improve Angels’ OBP in 2018

[Blarg]

If Upton stays that number drops to $28 million. Suddenly there are fewer options without some creativity. So far Eppler has been pretty creative without a checkbook, it will be interesting how he works with some money in his pockets. 

[Ace-Of-Diamonds]

1 hour ago, Blarg said:

If Upton stays that number drops to $28 million. Suddenly there are fewer options without some creativity. So far Eppler has been pretty creative without a checkbook, it will be interesting how he works with some money in his pockets. 

It's $50M if Upton stays and $70M if he leaves per a tweet from Fletcher as I remember.

[greginpsca]

3 minutes ago, Ace-Of-Diamonds said:

It's $50M if Upton stays and $70M if he leaves per a tweet from Fletcher as I remember.

And Trout has a $ 14 mil raise.

[Ace-Of-Diamonds]

15 minutes ago, greginpsca said:

And Trout has a $ 14 mil raise.

Already figured in to the Average annual salary. Yes it will cost Arte more, but no it doesn't impact the amount available under the tax threshold.

[stormngt]

10 hours ago, ThomasSutpen said:

Yeah silly us - Scioscia dropped him all the way down to #4. Ultimately his bat being in the lineup anywhere at all is an abortion; Scioscia being convinced he's a star player, sketching up sick lineups to feature his bat, is just adding insult to insult. 

It is frustrating and embarrassing to watch. Plus you get to enjoy getting gaslit by the broadcasters every PA when they start advising extreme caution by the opposing SP as Pujols' career numbers in this stadium or this month are SCARY GOOD. 

No its peopke like you who refuse to believe we have better options.  We dont.  Simba sucked down the stretch, cron was inconsistent. As bad as Pujols is he is the best run producer we have after Trout and Upton.  

Get better hitters and Pujoks will drop down.  Just like ge was when Upton joined the team.

[Jeff Fletcher]

50 minutes ago, Ace-Of-Diamonds said:

Already figured in to the Average annual salary. Yes it will cost Arte more, but no it doesn't impact the amount available under the tax threshold.

This is an important distinction.

In the past, the Angels total AAV was about the same or a little higher than their actual payroll, but now it's going to flip. 

Pujols' AAV is $24M but his actual salary is about $29M. Trout's AAV is about $25M but his actual salary next year is like $33M. 

So, if Arte's most important goal is to stay under the luxury tax threshold, he'll have maybe $45-70M to spend. But if his goal is to keep the overall actual payroll around $170-180M, which would be slightly up from where it is now, he may only have about $25M to spend. 

Of course, officially, all they'll say is that the goal is to make deals that "make sense."

[VariousCrap]

1 hour ago, Jeff Fletcher said:

So, if Arte's most important goal is to stay under the luxury tax threshold, he'll have maybe $45-70M to spend. But if his goal is to keep the overall actual payroll around $170-180M, which would be slightly up from where it is now, he may only have about $25M to spend. 

 

Arte needs to get it through his head that the fans are getting sick of his money excuses.  Despite "tickets sold", people are not showing up for this mediocre team.  This team needs vast improvements at LF, 2B, 2B and 1B.  No more "nickel and dime" moves.  Real improvements only.

[Blarg]

Impatient are we now? 

[Ace-Of-Diamonds]

33 minutes ago, Blarg said:

Impatient are we now? 

yes

[VariousCrap]

35 minutes ago, Blarg said:

Impatient are we now? 

 

After the last few years of no legit off-season moves, yes.  We only have three guaranteed years left with Trout.  The time is now.

[Lou]

On October 2, 2017 at 11:28 PM, IEAngelsfan said:

Can you imagine an outfield of Trout, Stanton and Upton?

Yeah, I know, but one can dream.

it moved 

[eligrba]

2 hours ago, Lou said:

it moved 

Whose was it?

[stormngt]

On 10/8/2017 at 4:58 PM, Blarg said:

If Upton stays that number drops to $28 million. Suddenly there are fewer options without some creativity. So far Eppler has been pretty creative without a checkbook, it will be interesting how he works with some money in his pockets. 

Wasnt Upton contract added in?  Aav?

[ksangel]

On ‎10‎/‎7‎/‎2017 at 8:33 PM, tdawg87 said:

Remember the haul Chicago got for Eaton? The Marlins will get even more for Yelich.

In other words, we aren't getting him.

"Not only was Eaton worth six wins above replacement in the estimation of both Fangraphs and Baseball Reference last season, he’s also on a wildly affordable contract that guarantees him just $19.9MM over the next three seasons and comes with two affordable club options. All told, his earnings can top out at $38.4MM if both options are picked up. For five eminently affordable years of a player of that ilk, it’s not surprising that multiple top 50 overall prospects and a 2016 first-round pick were required to pry Eaton away from the White Sox, who very clearly appear to be in the midst of an aggressive rebuilding process."

 

Above is MLB Traderumors reasoning behind what the White Sox got for Eaton...btw Yelich was at 3.9 WAR in 2017.

The Angels could package a deal around Heaney or Skaggs with lets say Jahmai Jones (who should break into the top 100 now) and another prospect for Yelich...that would seem on par with what the Nats traded.

In 2013 Skaggs was the #12 prospect, Heaney #43 and even Cowart was #60...and Yelich #41...so trading high end prospects doesn't always mean much - they're just numbers...

[totdprods]

^^^those same reasons are why we shouldn't undervalue Calhoun either. Yelich will cost a ton still, but Calhoun is very much a Yelich/Eaton-lite type with his solid all-around production and club-friendly contract. He won't command nearly the same return, but there's some legit value there.

Should the Marlins intend on dealing Stanton to clear salary, Ozuna to receive prospects, and Yelich's favorable contract to shed shitty contracts, the Angels may match up for Yelich. In that scenario Calhoun would be of value to Miami and the Angels could take on contracts from any of the guys like Gordon, Prado, Volquez, Chen, Tazawa, or Ziegler to chip away at Yelich's player cost.

Calhoun, Skaggs, and prospects for Yelich, Gordon, and some bad Miami contracts that fit Angels needs would be fine by me.

 

[totdprods]

39 minutes ago, ksangel said:

In 2013 Skaggs was the #12 prospect, Heaney #43 and even Cowart was #60...and Yelich #41...so trading high end prospects doesn't always mean much - they're just numbers...

Eaton's return got Giolito and Lopez who were both high into the Top 100's, and Yelich is just as valuable if not more. 

Yelich will cost a fortune, but I do think the Angels match up really well with Miami. All of the contracts they need to shed match up with our needs. They badly need rotation help, we could spare some. If we bring in Stanton or Yelich and somehow keep Upton, we can offer them an entire outfield's worth of prospects if need be. 

Even our more fringey trade value players like Bedrosian, Marte, Perez, Cowart, Middleton, Ramirez make sense to Miami's needs and payroll. 

[Ace-Of-Diamonds]

7 hours ago, totdprods said:

Eaton's return got Giolito and Lopez who were both high into the Top 100's, and Yelich is just as valuable if not more. 

Yelich will cost a fortune, but I do think the Angels match up really well with Miami. All of the contracts they need to shed match up with our needs. They badly need rotation help, we could spare some. If we bring in Stanton or Yelich and somehow keep Upton, we can offer them an entire outfield's worth of prospects if need be. 

Even our more fringey trade value players like Bedrosian, Marte, Perez, Cowart, Middleton, Ramirez make sense to Miami's needs and payroll. 

If we keep Upton, and get Stanton or Yelich, Calhoun would also be available to trade. Although I think both are a long shot. If we keep Upton then the infield is where the FA money and/or trades need to be. If Upton opts out J D Martinez would be my target to fix the OF.

[disarcina]

Eppler vows to improve OBP in 2018 --

gee, that's setting the bar fairly low isn't it????????

[Troll Daddy]

I don’t get all the chatter over Yelich ... not that big of a upgrade imo. Where is Trout going to play? Now Stanton is on a whole nother level

[Angel Oracle]

On 10/8/2017 at 6:28 PM, Ace-Of-Diamonds said:

It's $50M if Upton stays and $70M if he leaves per a tweet from Fletcher as I remember.

I do remember that around $70 million would be available after the season, before Upton was acquired.

[totdprods]

On 10/8/2017 at 9:37 PM, Jeff Fletcher said:

This is an important distinction.

In the past, the Angels total AAV was about the same or a little higher than their actual payroll, but now it's going to flip. 

Pujols' AAV is $24M but his actual salary is about $29M. Trout's AAV is about $25M but his actual salary next year is like $33M. 

So, if Arte's most important goal is to stay under the luxury tax threshold, he'll have maybe $45-70M to spend. But if his goal is to keep the overall actual payroll around $170-180M, which would be slightly up from where it is now, he may only have about $25M to spend. 

Of course, officially, all they'll say is that the goal is to make deals that "make sense."

Quoting this post from Fletcher again because it's relevant.