Way to go Matt Shoemaker

[Chuck]

Hell of a performance. 

I'm both excited  that we have our own version of a Corey Kluber type ACE, or getting a nice haul as far as prospects if we were to trade him.

Honestly, I'm more excited about the former than the latter. 

 

[AngelsLakersFan]

[tdawg87]

Keep him. He's worth far more to the Angels than anyone else.

Trade Santiago and Street.

[fan_since79]

You can't trade him. No way. He's turning into a legit ace before our very eyes.

That took guts to hang in there at the end and get those two strikeouts. He's finally coming into his own.

 

 

[eaterfan]

7 minutes ago, tdawg87 said:

Keep him. He's worth far more to the Angels than anyone else.

Trade Santiago and Street.

Why is he worth more to the angels than any other team?

[tdawg87]

Just now, eaterfan said:

Why is he worth more to the angels than any other team?

Because he's making near minimum salary and under club control for another 4 years. Any trade partner will certainly take his resurgence into consideration, but also see his career 98 ERA+. 

Unless a team is willing to blow the Angels away with an offer, it's not worth trading him.

[Vegas Halo Fan]

5 minutes ago, eaterfan said:

Why is he worth more to the angels than any other team?

Because other teams have other starting pitchers who can win games.

[WeatherWonk]

I never lost faith that he could return to the pitcher he was in the last 2/3 of 2014. It's not probable that he could have completely lost it, after having pitched so good for that length of time.

We gotta keep Shoe.

[kevinb]

Keep both 

[Chuck]

16 minutes ago, tdawg87 said:

Keep him. He's worth far more to the Angels than anyone else.

Trade Santiago and Street.

Honestly, he's shown he's more of an ACE, #1 type this season than Richards ever has. Shut down stuff.

[tdawg87]

1 minute ago, Chuckster70 said:

Honestly, he's shown he's more of an ACE, #1 type this season than Richards ever has. Shut down stuff.

He may not have the stuff Richards has but he has balls bigger than planets. 

Richards has pebbles. And no pubes. Apparently.

[Chuck]

1 minute ago, tdawg87 said:

He may not have the stuff Richards has but he has balls bigger than planets. 

Richards has pebbles. And no pubes. Apparently.

Agree! 

Can you imagine if Richards, Heaney and Skaggs were all healthy from the start till now?? Though we'd probably never see this side of Shoemaker either because he wouldn't have the opportunity with Weaver and Santiago in the rotation. 

Next season if Richards can pitch and pitch effectively, we may have a pretty solid rotation in Shoemaker, Richards, Tropeano, Skaggs and Santiago if nobody gets traded. Nate Smith as our 6th guy. 

[DMVol]

I think you cross your fingers that Shoe, Santiago, Tropeano and Skaggs stay healthy and produce....if so, we might be more competitive next year than it looked like when Heaney and Richards went down....

[fan_since79]

Now we just need to get some more guys who can hit, and we're in business!

Oh yes, the bullpen too...

 

[nate]

Insane how well he has turned it around.  I have a serious  for pitchers that throw strikes like him.

[disarcina]

didn't see the game but saw the box score and Shoemaker's line -- WOW!! a classic old fawshioned NL type pitcher's duel. Two shutouts to start the second half -- I'd keep Shoemaker and trade Santiago now while Santiago's value has reached a peak two weeks before the trade deadline in a seller's market for starting pitching..........

 

[Chuck]

1 minute ago, nate said:

Insane how well he has turned it around.  I have a serious  for pitchers that throw strikes like him.

Same. His splitter is a legit out pitch for K's and he's throwing 91-95 MPH with his fastball. I also like he's come up with two different versions of his splitter. One that dives down and another one that fades in or out. That combined with an average slider, what's not to like? 

We have a good shot at having 5 pitchers in our rotation next year that can get a fair share of K's in Santiago, Shoe, Tropeano, Skaggs and Richards. 

[nate]

Tropeano is definitely not going to be in the rotation next year (TJ) and unless Richards is a medical miracle he will also miss the season.

[Chuck]

1 minute ago, nate said:

Tropeano is definitely not going to be in the rotation next year (TJ) and unless Richards is a medical miracle he will also miss the season.

Well Tropeano has pitched for several years (HS, Minors) and still hasn't had any elbow issues, I don't know why you think he would now. 

Yes, I'm being optimistic about Richards', but even if he can't go I wouldn't mind having Nate Smith as our 5th starter. 

[Billy_Ball]

10 minutes ago, nate said:

Tropeano is definitely not going to be in the rotation next year (TJ) and unless Richards is a medical miracle he will also miss the season.

Tropeano will be In the rotation.  Heaney?

 

 

 

[tdawg87]

I think he meant Heaney.

[nate]

Sorry I confused him with Heaney.  I need to go to bed.

Chuck is on point with the rotation, I don't have high hopes for Richards coming back... just need no more fucking injuries.

[Chuck]

Oh yeah, I don't expect to see Heaney until 2018. 

[tdawg87]

They pretty much have to sign a starter this offseason. Unfortunately there aren't really any decent options.

[Ochocinco!]

Was at the game tonight it was a snooze fest and went by really quick but was awesome to see Shoe finish it out!