Israel vs. Palestine

[Rico]

44% of the Palestinian population are children.  So I'm not surprised about these numbers.

 

[cals]

You MAGAs and cons still haven’t explained why this is the one foreign conflict you picked a side.

[arch stanton]

It sure seems like both Hamas and the Israeli government have agendas here that don't include caring about killing innocents on the other side and neither has any thought of ending this conflict that is a cash cow for them

[Jason]

1 hour ago, cals said:

You MAGAs and cons still haven’t explained why this is the one foreign conflict you picked a side.

Not that it really has an impact on us here in the US but it’s Israel v Hamas. Criticism of Israeli government policy is fair but it seems like most sane people wouldn’t side with Hamas. 

[AngelsLakersFan]

9 hours ago, NrM said:

I think most sane people can agree with this statement. 

 

 

I think it's fair to question whether or not Israel agrees with this.

It isn't hard to trace all of this back. The people in Gaza are largely refugees pushed out of their homes a couple of generations ago. The cycle of violence will not stop until both groups decide to treat the other with dignity. 

[AngelsLakersFan]

1 hour ago, arch stanton said:

It sure seems like both Hamas and the Israeli government have agendas here that don't include caring about killing innocents on the other side and neither has any thought of ending this conflict that is a cash cow for them

It's a cash cow for the American military industrial complex 

[cals]

1 minute ago, AngelsLakersFan said:

I think it's fair to question whether or not Israel agrees with this.

It isn't hard to trace all of this back. The people in Gaza are largely refugees pushed out of their homes a couple of generations ago. The cycle of violence will not stop until both groups decide to treat the other with dignity. 

I think when your grandparents were kicked out of their homes, their property stolen and their water supply poisoned, you develop a chip in your shoulder that’s hard to get rid of.

[AngelsLakersFan]

56 minutes ago, Jason said:

Not that it really has an impact on us here in the US but it’s Israel v Hamas. Criticism of Israeli government policy is fair but it seems like most sane people wouldn’t side with Hamas. 

The next time there is a terrorist attack against Americans because of the US support of Israel in this operation, remember this post!

[Jason]

7 minutes ago, AngelsLakersFan said:

The next time there is a terrorist attack against Americans because of the US support of Israel in this operation, remember this post!

Meh, Islamic terrorists already hate us and constantly looking to destroy us. It’s nothing that’s ever going to change. 

[AngelsLakersFan]

1 minute ago, cals said:

I think when your grandparents were kicked out of their homes, their property stolen and their water supply poisoned, you develop a chip in your shoulder that’s hard to get rid of.

Hamas is just a logical result of Israeli policy. It's not just that their grandparents got kicked out of their homes, it's that they are still getting kicked out of their homes today. Every year Israel pushes the fences back a little further to build new homes for "settlers."

 

[nothing, Nothing]

good 12min listen as to why free press that was set up by the founding fathers is so important in regards to wars and why countries who do not have free press are basically doomed 

[AngelsLakersFan]

Just now, Jason said:

Meh, Islamic terrorists already hate us and constantly looking to destroy us. It’s nothing that’s ever going to change. 

You're not wrong, but the only reason that's true is because we love to constantly shit on their couch. If we simply stopped giving a fuck about the middle east this shit would go away eventually.

[Kevin]

10 minutes ago, AngelsLakersFan said:

You're not wrong, but the only reason that's true is because we love to constantly shit on their couch. If we simply stopped giving a fuck about the middle east this shit would go away eventually.

I think we all remember after 9/11, we were told they hate is because of our freedoms which seems really laughable in hindsight.

But Bin Laden made it pretty crystal clear in 97 or 98 why he was declaring war on the U.S. along with what his stated goals were for trying to draw the U.S. into conflict.

A big reason was our support for Israel and Middle East policy. If we’re going to be an ally of Israel, whatever. But that does come with consequences if Israel is going to have baggage that conflicts with the Palestinians and other Middle East countries. There’s enough blame to go around for everyone.

 

[Spirit]

26 minutes ago, nothing, Nothing said:

good 12min listen as to why free press that was set up by the founding fathers is so important in regards to wars and why countries who do not have free press are basically doomed 

 

Has Taylor invited you to check out the Blowback Podcast yet?

 

[Jason]

 

[Spirit]

On 10/11/2023 at 6:27 AM, Lhalo said:

 

 

 

[Taylor]

6 hours ago, Rico said:

44% of the Palestinian population are children.  So I'm not surprised about these numbers.

 

But

[Taylor]

3 hours ago, cals said:

I think when your grandparents were kicked out of their homes, their property stolen and their water supply poisoned, you develop a chip in your shoulder that’s hard to get rid of.

This is a good point. Palestinians are similar to Miami Cubans, except the Palestinians didn't own slaves when they were kicked out of their homes.

[Taylor]

2 hours ago, Kevin said:

I think we all remember after 9/11, we were told they hate is because of our freedoms which seems really laughable in hindsight.

But Bin Laden made it pretty crystal clear in 97 or 98 why he was declaring war on the U.S. along with what his stated goals were for trying to draw the U.S. into conflict.

A big reason was our support for Israel and Middle East policy. If we’re going to be an ally of Israel, whatever. But that does come with consequences if Israel is going to have baggage that conflicts with the Palestinians and other Middle East countries. There’s enough blame to go around for everyone.

 

Basically all Middle Eastern terrorism came out of groups the United States funded and armed in the fight against cOmMuNiSm.

[Taylor]

2 hours ago, Spirit said:

 

Has Taylor invited you to check out the Blowback Podcast yet?

 

Pretty much everyone here (except Kotchman) would appreciate it. It's validating of both libertarian and progressive views of the U.S. government and foreign policy. And it also opens your eyes to some tough history about out country's foreign policy.

[nothing, Nothing]

2 hours ago, Spirit said:

 

Has Taylor invited you to check out the Blowback Podcast yet?

 

will look into it

[Crampknees]

4 hours ago, Spirit said:

 

Has Taylor invited you to check out the Blowback Podcast yet?

 

Still waiting on my invite. 

[Spirit]

28 minutes ago, Crampknees said:

Still waiting on my invite. 

 

I'm sure it's included with your birthday card.  Which I'm sure is on the way.

 

[Taylor]

4 hours ago, Crampknees said:

Still waiting on my invite. 

You don't need to wait.

[Taylor]

4 hours ago, Spirit said:

 

I'm sure it's included with your birthday card.  Which I'm sure is on the way.

 

Oh, right. Yeah, maybe it got held up somewhere in DFW.