CJ Wilson ragging on the Angels and Arte.

[Skankhunt42]

Surprised no one has brought this up yet. Do you all think he is making this shit up? and if not, why is no one talking about it?

 

https://www.si.com/mlb/angels/news/former-angels-starter-slams-organization-for-poor-practices-frugal-spending-jf1989

[UndertheHalo]

Why would he make it up.  It sounds exactly like what we’ve heard from others.  
 

Arte is a weird owner.  Good in some ways.  Really bad in others.  This checks out to me. 

[Stradling]

Didn’t buy a weightless treadmill and didn’t offer breakfast for a week. 

[Chuck]

1 hour ago, Skankhunt42 said:

Surprised no one has brought this up yet. Do you all think he is making this shit up? and if not, why is no one talking about it?

https://www.si.com/mlb/angels/news/former-angels-starter-slams-organization-for-poor-practices-frugal-spending-jf1989

We covered this on our podcast last Thursday. 
 

 

[Slegnaac]

1 hour ago, Stradling said:

Didn’t buy a weightless treadmill and didn’t offer breakfast for a week. 

But they did rent a weightless treadmill.

[Jeff Fletcher]

1 hour ago, Skankhunt42 said:

Surprised no one has brought this up yet. Do you all think he is making this shit up? and if not, why is no one talking about it?

 

https://www.si.com/mlb/angels/news/former-angels-starter-slams-organization-for-poor-practices-frugal-spending-jf1989

The reason I disregarded it is because it’s all stuff that happened 10 years ago involving a bunch of people who no longer work for the Angels. 
 

I think it’s been well chronicled that the Angels have skimped on things besides big league payroll at times during Arte’s tenure. So unless it’s something current or involving current employees, it doesn’t seem newsworthy. 

[Angels 1961]

8 minutes ago, Jeff Fletcher said:

The reason I disregarded it is because it’s all stuff that happened 10 years ago involving a bunch of people who no longer work for the Angels. 
 

I think it’s been well chronicled that the Angels have skimped on things besides big league payroll at times during Arte’s tenure. So unless it’s something current or involving current employees, it doesn’t seem newsworthy. 

Will Angels wait to see what Ohtani does in off season before making any moves?

[Jeff Fletcher]

5 minutes ago, Angels 1961 said:

Will Angels wait to see what Ohtani does in off season before making any moves?

I am sure they can make some moves but other moves would have to wait. 

[Vegas Halo Fan]

1 hour ago, Chuckster70 said:

We covered this on our podcast last Thursday. 

 

I had not watched one of the podcasts before. That was excellent stuff.

[Stradling]

2 minutes ago, Jeff Fletcher said:

I am sure they can make some moves but other moves would have to wait. 

It very well could be Ohtani wants to see moves before he agrees to re-sign.  You’d have to think that if he plays the rest of the year, then the chances he re-signs with the Angels are incredibly high.  Personally, I think he will play until he gets that second opinion then opt to have surgery.

[Vegas Halo Fan]

All of this means so much coming from somebody who hasn't played here in eight years, and waited until now to mention it.

[T.G.]

CJ Wilson must be desperate to be relevant 

[oldguy]

2 minutes ago, T.G. said:

CJ Wilson must be desperate to be relevant 

Victor or victim?  CJ chose his path.

[Blarg]

CJ quit in his last contract year, refused to pitch but took the money instead of retiring. Fuck him. 

[Jeff Fletcher]

14 minutes ago, Stradling said:

It very well could be Ohtani wants to see moves before he agrees to re-sign.  You’d have to think that if he plays the rest of the year, then the chances he re-signs with the Angels are incredibly high.  Personally, I think he will play until he gets that second opinion then opt to have surgery.

I don’t think Ohtani is going to wait long. Plus, any team that’s going to lay out that kind of money is going to want to do it right at the beginning of the winter.

I think he’s signed before the Winter Meetings. 
 

As for your second point, if he does find out he needs surgery and still chooses to play the rest of the season, that probably increases the chances of him staying. 
 

hey @Angels 1961, you’ve got to stop hijacking other threads to ask me unrelated questions.

[Docwaukee]

CJ Who gives a shit.  

[Chuck]

1 hour ago, Vegas Halo Fan said:

I had not watched one of the podcasts before. That was excellent stuff.

Time to get caught up like @Blarg

https://www.angelswin.com/podcast/

[tomsred]

CJ needs to stick to selling Mazda's.  He's not relevant to this team anymore.

[BTH]

1 hour ago, Jeff Fletcher said:

As for your second point, if he does find out he needs surgery and still chooses to play the rest of the season, that probably increases the chances of him staying. 

Wouldn’t it behoove the Angels for him to get the surgery earlier so he can return as DH earlier in 2024?

I almost feel like it’s the opposite. If he delays surgery, that’s making him less valuable to the Angels in 2024 and makes it more likely he leaves.

[Jeff Fletcher]

1 minute ago, BTH said:

Wouldn’t it behoove the Angels for him to get the surgery earlier so he can return as DH earlier in 2024?

I almost feel like it’s the opposite. If he delays surgery, that’s making him less valuable to the Angels in 2024 and makes it more likely he leaves.

Yes, it would behoove whatever team he’s going to if he gets the surgery ASAP. But I think if he delays it, it means he doesn’t have to worry about making a bad first impression on a new team by missing the first month. 
 

I think it would be awkward to go to a new team and say “sorry I can’t play the first month because I wanted to hit a bunch of meaningless HRs last year for the fourth place Angels.”

But maybe I’m reading too much into it. 
 

Honestly he really ought to just stop and get the surgery if that’s what he needs, for the benefit of the Angels or any other team. 

[Blarg]

@Jeff Fletcher do you think he has the MVP locked up or is he out there to keep his stats up to make sure nobody passes him in WAR?

[Jeff Fletcher]

1 minute ago, Blarg said:

@Jeff Fletcher do you think he has the MVP locked up or is he out there to keep his stats up to make sure nobody passes him in WAR?

He’s got the MVP locked up. 

[BTH]

3 minutes ago, Jeff Fletcher said:

Honestly he really ought to just stop and get the surgery if that’s what he needs, for the benefit of the Angels or any other team. 

Yeah.

I think the only reason for him to not do that is if he had a legitimate shot at beating Judge’s HR record.

But he’s not on pace to do that.

[jsnpritchett]

19 minutes ago, BTH said:

Yeah.

I think the only reason for him to not do that is if he had a legitimate shot at beating Judge’s HR record.

But he’s not on pace to do that.

Exactly.  He has 5 HR in his last 27 games.  He's not gonna hit 19 in the next 31.

[gurn67]

Maybe Shohei is playing because he loves the game and he feels that he has a responsibility to the fans and to fulfill the obligation he made when he signed his contract for this season to continue. He's not an ordinary modern player. Most would have already stopped.