Moreno Family Exploring Sale of the Los Angeles Angels

[Taylor]

32 minutes ago, Halo in Chicago said:

I knew I wore an Angels shirt for a reason today!

I have that same shirt.

[T.G.]

1 hour ago, Angel Oracle said:

Okay, my mistake, was thinking it was the season opener.

Still, 3.5 months is enough time elapsed, especially with who knows what the past 3 months have done to Arte Moreno.

You're reaching for something that's not there.

[Taylor]

Just now, T.G. said:

You're reaching for something that's not there.

Wrong forum.

[cals]

Are we back to my shit getting deleted?

[Chuck]

1 minute ago, cals said:

Are we back to my shit getting deleted?

No I hid your post. That was uncalled for. 

[Taylor]

Just now, Chuckster70 said:

No I hid your post. That was uncalled for. 

What's the point of hiding a post instead of just deleting it?

[Catwhoshatinthehat]

Just now, Taylor said:

What's the point of hiding a post instead of just deleting it?

Cals’ feelings. 

[cals]

1 minute ago, Chuckster70 said:

No I hid your post. That was uncalled for. 

I suppose humor is subjective.  I think I’m hilarious.

[cals]

3 minutes ago, Catwhoshatinthehat said:

Cals’ feelings. 

They’re very delicate, you know.

[Duren, Duren]

Does Arte have any kind of relationship with Samueli? Good, bad, or just neutral?  They are basically both located across the street from each other and share some common issues in the community.

And both have been owners for roughly the same time frame. And each franchise has had approximately their best and worst seasons around the same time. A World Series and it's contending aftermath, and a Stanley Cup and a top team in the first decade of this century. Pretty good teams through the first half of the second decade. And then an incremental descent into rebuild territory. 

Would Arte prefer to sell to someone local who he may trust more for a smooth transition? And maintain  his status as a good citizen in the community? Providing of course that the price and conditions are to his liking.

One way or another it looks like a soap opera that will be more interesting than the games for a while. 

And what about Pujols personal service contract? Will it transition to non baseball duties? Arte's chauffer? Or will it be voided? Might force Albert to play longer than he expected. 

 

 

[cysomeawfulpitcher]

And so are you, Farte.  Just do it.

[BluegrassHaloFan]

21 minutes ago, Taylor said:

The perfect comment would know the difference between "higher" and "hire."

Edited, thanks. 

[ten ocho recon scout]

Would be cool I'd the Padres ownership buys the Angels. And we could swap our good players back and forth based on whoever is playing the Dodgers.

[mmc]

 

[mmc]

Moreno has long been known as a demanding boss, which is not unusual in private industry. But in this era of analytics, in which most owners are comfortable deferring to baseball operations departments, Moreno has been an outlier in how often he shoved his front-office professionals out of the way and made his own deals.

He would intermittently shuttle staffers into his version of a penalty box, to the degree that job titles really didn't matter; what mattered was how much sway the managers and general managers had in that moment with Moreno. The notion of a chain of command has been little more than theory within the Angels organization, which has made it difficult for Moreno's team to keep up with baseball's more data-driven teams.

Moreno took control of the Angels in 2003, fresh off a World Series win, and for years, his title-winning manager Mike Scioscia was perceived by peers to have more practical power than any other in baseball, more than former Angels GM Tony Reagins too. But over time, as the Angels' struggles continued, Scioscia's influence waned, and he retired in 2018. By then, Billy Eppler was the GM; he convinced Ohtani to sign with the Angels and reduced the payroll mess, but his teams never reached the postseason. Against Eppler's suggestions, Moreno insisted upon the hiring of former Angels coach Joe Maddon following the 2019 season to replace Scioscia. Maddon briefly held the throne of most powerful employee, and Eppler was gone before the 2020 season was up. Earlier this year, after Maddon fell out of favor, supplanted as the favorite by Minasian, Maddon was fired and replaced by Phil Nevin. Now, the presumption among executives is that in the face of the 2022 disaster, even Minasian might be on double secret probation.

Early on, the Angels were riding high off their title, and the team made the playoffs repeatedly -- in five out of Moreno's first six years in charge. It might be that this success fueled unjustified confidence in his own abilities. Like a lot of billionaires before him, Moreno seemed to believe he knew more about building a baseball team than the folks he hired. But the strengths that made him an extraordinary success before he bought the Angels became a weakness once he stepped into a sport that has become increasingly competitive.

[Revad]

14 minutes ago, mmc said:

Moreno has long been known as a demanding boss, which is not unusual in private industry. But in this era of analytics, in which most owners are comfortable deferring to baseball operations departments, Moreno has been an outlier in how often he shoved his front-office professionals out of the way and made his own deals.

He would intermittently shuttle staffers into his version of a penalty box, to the degree that job titles really didn't matter; what mattered was how much sway the managers and general managers had in that moment with Moreno. The notion of a chain of command has been little more than theory within the Angels organization, which has made it difficult for Moreno's team to keep up with baseball's more data-driven teams.

Moreno took control of the Angels in 2003, fresh off a World Series win, and for years, his title-winning manager Mike Scioscia was perceived by peers to have more practical power than any other in baseball, more than former Angels GM Tony Reagins too. But over time, as the Angels' struggles continued, Scioscia's influence waned, and he retired in 2018. By then, Billy Eppler was the GM; he convinced Ohtani to sign with the Angels and reduced the payroll mess, but his teams never reached the postseason. Against Eppler's suggestions, Moreno insisted upon the hiring of former Angels coach Joe Maddon following the 2019 season to replace Scioscia. Maddon briefly held the throne of most powerful employee, and Eppler was gone before the 2020 season was up. Earlier this year, after Maddon fell out of favor, supplanted as the favorite by Minasian, Maddon was fired and replaced by Phil Nevin. Now, the presumption among executives is that in the face of the 2022 disaster, even Minasian might be on double secret probation.

Early on, the Angels were riding high off their title, and the team made the playoffs repeatedly -- in five out of Moreno's first six years in charge. It might be that this success fueled unjustified confidence in his own abilities. Like a lot of billionaires before him, Moreno seemed to believe he knew more about building a baseball team than the folks he hired. But the strengths that made him an extraordinary success before he bought the Angels became a weakness once he stepped into a sport that has become increasingly competitive.

Had anyone heard of this “penalty box?”  I don’t recall seeing that anywhere.

[JAHV76]

If Arte does sell the Angels I hope the owner(s) build a long term plan to fix the farm system, international scouting plus signings, and build excitement to potential free agents to want to sign with the Halos. Set realistic expectations that immediate results aka playoff ready team given the current talent pool beyond Trout and Ohtani is not realistic. Hire a GM and Manager who are the same page regarding success metrics.

[SlappyUtilityMIF]

3 hours ago, Duren, Duren said:

What exactly has Ballmer  won with the Clippers? Improved for sure, but not exactly smooth sailing. Since he became owner, Lakers one championship, Clippers still looking. A lot of smoke and mirrors and hype, but a lot of turnover and reinvention. The Angels need a serious owner(s) with long term vision and patience. Instant gratification wears off quickly. 

The Ducks won in 2007. Fifteen years ago. The Samueli's have endured the highs and lows, and have allowed a complete rebuild to take place. Time will tell where it goes. But they are patient and hands off. They had a lot of good teams since but never had the playoff edge or clutch factor. Getzlaf and Perry were roughly the franchise Trout and Ohtani ( seen as a one position offensive player). They had a very good defensive core and some other high end talent but not the elite goalie that could steal playoff wins. Murray was a good GM for a stretch, though Brian Burke was the GM for their Cup. But over the last five years or so they hit rock bottom. It looks like they are in a patient, promising rebuild, but still a lot of question marks. Zegras may have the 'wow' factor for marketing, but the jury is still out about what his ceiling is. They sorely will miss the leadership of Getzlaf. 

Angels need the Samueli approach, not Ballmer's. But attention spans are short these days and image takes precedent over substance for some. Especially in the media, where controversy sells.

Both of the leagues that you mention have a HARD SALARY CAP! 

NBA

1. HARD CAP, No Minor Leagues (other than D-League) which is a Co-opp'ed team of 2 or 3 Pro Teams.

2. Ballmer had to DROP an entire Culture Change due to DTS and his Slurs...

3. Though they have been ravaged by injuries. He has dropped the coin and paid to go over the HARD CAP when needed. To keep the team competitive. 

4. He has built a training center and rebranded the team logos and uniforms. To get away from the DTS stink. 

5. Surrounds himself with very good Front Office People like Jerry West, Michael Winger, Trent Redden.

NHL

1. Samueli's NEVER come CLOSE to going over the HARD CAP.

2. They have moved players and haven't really developed any true scorers since Getzlaf & Perry. Maybe Zegras maybe not? 

3. There is only a AAA affiliate so there isn't a true amount of Development as players are drafted and need to work on a little of actual game and have the ability or are Young and just an extra season or two is enough to move up or are in a transition from the Euro-game or adjust to the living distance in the USA.

4. They have moved contracts during down years previously. And currently are in a full REBUILD. As you stated may/may not be effective?

 

I don't really see a downfall from either. Overall, both look like they want to WIN! The Samueli's probably wait a little longer than most as the Windows Close... 

[Ron Mexico]

15 minutes ago, SlappyUtilityMIF said:

Both of the leagues that you mention have a HARD SALARY CAP! 

NBA

1. HARD CAP, No Minor Leagues (other than D-League) which is a Co-opp'ed team of 2 or 3 Pro Teams.

2. Ballmer had to DROP an entire Culture Change due to DTS and his Slurs...

3. Though they have been ravaged by injuries. He has dropped the coin and paid to go over the HARD CAP when needed. To keep the team competitive. 

4. He has built a training center and rebranded the team logos and uniforms. To get away from the DTS stink. 

5. Surrounds himself with very good Front Office People like Jerry West, Michael Winger, Trent Redden.

NHL

1. Samueli's NEVER come CLOSE to going over the HARD CAP.

2. They have moved players and haven't really developed any true scorers since Getzlaf & Perry. Maybe Zegras maybe not? 

3. There is only a AAA affiliate so there isn't a true amount of Development as players are drafted and need to work on a little of actual game and have the ability or are Young and just an extra season or two is enough to move up or are in a transition from the Euro-game or adjust to the living distance in the USA.

4. They have moved contracts during down years previously. And currently are in a full REBUILD. As you stated may/may not be effective?

 

I don't really see a downfall from either. Overall, both look like they want to WIN! The Samueli's probably wait a little longer than most as the Windows Close... 

Must be a fellow Clippers Fan

[Ron Mexico]

18 minutes ago, SlappyUtilityMIF said:

Both of the leagues that you mention have a HARD SALARY CAP! 

NBA

1. HARD CAP, No Minor Leagues (other than D-League) which is a Co-opp'ed team of 2 or 3 Pro Teams.

2. Ballmer had to DROP an entire Culture Change due to DTS and his Slurs...

3. Though they have been ravaged by injuries. He has dropped the coin and paid to go over the HARD CAP when needed. To keep the team competitive. 

4. He has built a training center and rebranded the team logos and uniforms. To get away from the DTS stink. 

5. Surrounds himself with very good Front Office People like Jerry West, Michael Winger, Trent Redden.

NHL

1. Samueli's NEVER come CLOSE to going over the HARD CAP.

2. They have moved players and haven't really developed any true scorers since Getzlaf & Perry. Maybe Zegras maybe not? 

3. There is only a AAA affiliate so there isn't a true amount of Development as players are drafted and need to work on a little of actual game and have the ability or are Young and just an extra season or two is enough to move up or are in a transition from the Euro-game or adjust to the living distance in the USA.

4. They have moved contracts during down years previously. And currently are in a full REBUILD. As you stated may/may not be effective?

 

I don't really see a downfall from either. Overall, both look like they want to WIN! The Samueli's probably wait a little longer than most as the Windows Close... 

Also Don't forget him Building the The Clippers own Arena in Inglewood 

[bruin5]

4 hours ago, Hubs said:

It will likely be an ownership group, and one name to watch is Theo Epstein. He's been rumored to want a Stan Kasten type deal, and though many fault Moreno for the many issues he has, it's not that he's a bad owner, he's a bad baseball guy and hasn't understood team organization and baseball decisions. Scioscia was the baseball guy in the clubhouse for 19 years, 15 under Moreno. While there were GM problems and bad decisions, not having a baseball mind in charge of the organization is the real problem, and its been exposed under the DiPoto and Eppler GM.

Stoneman also was a huge guiding influence on Moreno's early years.

But, if Epstein is interested, you have to talk to him if you're a big money guy, like Ballmer or Cuban, or others.

From wikipedia....Stan Kasten

Stan Kasten (born February 1, 1952, in Lakewood Township, New Jersey) is the former president of the Atlanta Braves and the Washington Nationals, and the current president and part-owner of the Los Angeles Dodgers. Long involved in Atlanta professional sports, he also served as general manager of the NBA's Atlanta Hawks and president of the NHL's Atlanta Thrashers.

A native of New Jersey, Mr. Kasten became the youngest NBA general manager in 1979 when he joined the Atlanta Hawks at age 27. In 1986 he took over as president of both the Hawks and Ted Turner 's other franchise, the Atlanta Braves, where he stayed until 2003. He landed in Washington in 2006 as president of the Nationals franchise, stepping down after the 2010 season.^[25]

He has won two NBA Executive of the Year awards, three NBA division titles, and, with the Braves, 12 baseball division titles, five National League pennants and one World Series Championship.^[25]

 

This is what the Angels need. And Epstein is perfect for the job. He knows what an organization needs to be successful. Perry can stay as GM, Epstein president. He can hire scouts and improve the farm, and build a new ballpark, and Perry can handle the day to day with someone like Epstein to guide him.

I heard this on 710, from John Ireland, who said this is something Epstein has been after and if that's true, then it needs to happen.

 

 

I was excited about this until the very last sentence….  

[bruin5]

2 hours ago, OttoDog said:

He was interested in a soccer team.

That was a joke made by Elon. It was in response to a question about him buying Man United. 

[Jason]

2 hours ago, Chuckster70 said:

No I hid your post. That was uncalled for. 

Cals, uncalled for? No way 

[Ace-Of-Diamonds]

Change the name back  to Anaheim Angels

[Ron Mexico]

22 minutes ago, Ace-Of-Diamonds said:

Change the name back  to Anaheim Angels

California Angels Better