Gameday Thread: Angels vs. Royals (July 25th, 2022) Syndergaard on the mound

[Ace-Of-Diamonds]

17 minutes ago, Tank said:

Holy cow, they keep talking about Bo Jackson like he was one of the best baseball players to ever live. Enough already. 

he was for a short time

[Ace-Of-Diamonds]

pitch framing will be a thing of the past once robo ump becomes a reality, hopefully next year

[CaliAngel]

15 minutes ago, Ace-Of-Diamonds said:

pitch framing will be a thing of the past once robo ump becomes a reality, hopefully next year

If you have to frame the pitch, it's not a strike, and the umpires should be making those ball and strike calls accordingly. 

[Stradling]

I still think that at least part of the problem will umpire accuracy is caused by increase velocity and increased spin rate. And the increase in outrage over the strike zone is the TV strike zone box, which isn’t the official strike zone.  

[Ace-Of-Diamonds]

hello, hello, hello,

 

[Angelsfan1984]

2 minutes ago, CaliAngel said:

If you have to frame the pitch, it's not a strike, and the umpires should be making those ball and strike calls accordingly. 

I agree in part. However there are alot of heavy sinkers and curveballs that actually cross the plate but fall outside of the zone after passing through. Being that it’s a 3 dimensional strike zone rather than a 2 dimensional, the framing makes a difference. Hence why you see good catchers snap the pitch back into place. 

[Blarg]

54 minutes ago, Tank said:

Holy cow, they keep talking about Bo Jackson like he was one of the best baseball players to ever live. Enough already. 

They aren't allowed to talk about Rusty Kuntz anymore. 

[Stradling]

2 minutes ago, Angelsfan1984 said:

I agree in part. However there are alot of heavy sinkers and curveballs that actually cross the plate but fall outside of the zone after passing through. Being that it’s a 3 dimensional strike zone rather than a 2 dimensional, the framing makes a difference. Hence why you see good catchers snap the pitch back into place. 

Yep. 

[CaliAngel]

Just now, Stradling said:

I still think that at least part of the problem will umpire accuracy is caused by increase velocity and increased spin rate. And the increase in outrage over the strike zone is the TV strike zone box, which isn’t the official strike zone.  

Buddy of mine says the D'Backs WS was on TV at a bar somewhere and stated how strange it was to watch the game without the TV strike zone box, and it definitely gives the umpires more of the benefit of the doubt. 

I'm going to keep saying this because I truly believe at the core of the problem is the players mentalities: If the players are that concerned about the umpires making correct ball and strike calls, they can't just bitch about it when it goes against them then have the attitude "we'll take it!" when it does go their way. A pitcher at some point is going to have to tell the umpire "no, that's not a strike, I'm not taking that gift, get the batter in the box and I'll get him on a real strike 3." Because if they're expecting the umpires to be held accountable, they need to be held accountable by both dugouts whether or not the calls go their way. 

[Lou]

2 minutes ago, Angelsfan1984 said:

I agree in part. However there are alot of heavy sinkers and curveballs that actually cross the plate but fall outside of the zone after passing through. Being that it’s a 3 dimensional strike zone rather than a 2 dimensional, the framing makes a difference. Hence why you see good catchers snap the pitch back into place. 

But pitches are supposed to be called as to where they originally cross the plate, not where it ends up. Thus, A catcher snapping a ball back into the strike zone should be irrelevant.

This is all on the umpires not being good at their job.

[Angelsfan1984]

3 minutes ago, Blarg said:

They aren't allowed to talk about Rusty Kuntz anymore. 

They should do a 30 for 30 on Curly P. Yubes. They guy was a legend. 

[Stradling]

1 minute ago, Lou said:

But pitches are supposed to be called as to where they originally cross the plate, not where it ends up. Thus, A catcher snapping a ball back into the strike zone should be irrelevant.

This is all on the umpires not being good at their job.

But the umpire isn't positioned to see where it crosses the plate. 

[Lou]

Just now, Stradling said:

But the umpire isn't positioned to see where it crosses the plate. 

Then he should be better at his job.

[Angelsfan1984]

2 minutes ago, Lou said:

But pitches are supposed to be called as to where they originally cross the plate, not where it ends up. Thus, A catcher snapping a ball back into the strike zone should be irrelevant.

This is all on the umpires not being good at their job.

I agree. I’m referring to the framing being important currently. A human isn’t necessarily going to see that. It’s currently the catchers job to sell that to him. A robo ump is almost a must at this point.

[CaliAngel]

1 minute ago, Stradling said:

But the umpire isn't positioned to see where it crosses the plate. 

Then what is the point of them being back there making calls at all?

[Stradling]

3 minutes ago, Lou said:

Then he should be better at his job.

By having 3D vision. 

[Ace-Of-Diamonds]

Calling foul balls in the infield and close plays at the plate...

[Stradling]

2 minutes ago, CaliAngel said:

Then what is the point of them being back there making calls at all?

Because they get 95% of the calls right most nights. 

[Angelsfan1984]

In all reality it would be very very easy to have almost a strike comm just like pitchers and catchers are using for the umps. buzzes when it’s a strike, ump can still do all his fancy strike calls.

[m0nkey]

Zack Greinke threw 5 shutout innings in the year 2022?

[CaliAngel]

Never make the 1st or 3rd out of the inning at 3rd base. 

Basic fundamental practices continue to be ignored by this team. 

[Lou]

5 minutes ago, Stradling said:

By having 3D vision. 

Ridiculous.

 

[Stradling]

Just now, Lou said:

Ridiculous.

 

Like I said I think it has to do with increased velocity and increased spin rate. 

[Lou]

Just now, Stradling said:

Like I said I think it has to do with increased velocity and increased spin rate. 

Like I said, they should be better at their jobs.

[CaliAngel]

8 minutes ago, m0nkey said:

Zack Greinke threw 5 shutout innings in the year 2022?

Same could be said for Syndergaard...