Trumped

[St1ck]

5 minutes ago, Taylor said:

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/trump-impeachment-inquiry/pentagon-official-testifies-trump-directed-freeze-aid-ukraine-n1080256

Yeah, but what Jim Jordan says the president did nothing wrong. So I'm just going to ignore this.

[tdawg87]

58 minutes ago, Blarg said:

Is against any law for the President to freeze funds to foreign countries? 

In a quid pro quo? Yes. Absolutely yes.

[St1ck]

3 minutes ago, tdawg87 said:

In a quid pro quo? Yes. Absolutely yes.

Also, using the office of the presidency for personal gain is an impeachable offense.

[Blarg]

So what you guys are really saying is withholding funds to a foreign nation is not illegal. Thanks. 

BTW, foreign policy is all quid pro quo. 

[tdawg87]

1 minute ago, Blarg said:

So what you guys are really saying is withholding funds to a foreign nation is not illegal. Thanks. 

BTW, foreign policy is all quid pro quo. 

Not getting into this argument with you again. You are being purposely obtuse.

[Blarg]

Nope. You guys keep chasing shadows thinking every tweet Rico posts is some sort of proof of wrongdoing. It's why the Democratic thread is so lame. No substance. 

[Adam]

As long as an argument can be made that having a foreign entity investigate the Biden’s serves the national interest this is all a huge waste of time.

[St1ck]

6 minutes ago, Adam said:

As long as an argument can be made that having a foreign entity investigate the Biden’s serves the national interest this is all a huge waste of time.

Does it serve national interest?

[Blarg]

19 minutes ago, st1ckboy said:

Does it serve national interest?

Like the Mueller report did. 

[St1ck]

3 minutes ago, Blarg said:

Like the Mueller report did. 

You comparing the investigation of Russian interference in our presidential election to the investigation of a vp's son having a job in a foreign country? You think Trump's interest in Biden's son having this job has anything to do with the national interest of the country, and not to be used as a talking point to help in his re-election campaign?

[tdawg87]

1 hour ago, st1ckboy said:

Does it serve national interest?

No. Biden isn't in office.

Everyone knows exactly why Trump is "investigating" Biden. It's just trolling and being poopy buttheads at this point. I'm sorry to be so harsh but I'm sick of the BS.

[tdawg87]

1 hour ago, Blarg said:

Nope. You guys keep chasing shadows thinking every tweet Rico posts is some sort of proof of wrongdoing. It's why the Democratic thread is so lame. No substance. 

It would probably have more substance if you and all the other board Cons stopped pooping all over it.

I'm just....so mad! 

[Adam]

1 hour ago, st1ckboy said:

Does it serve national interest?

Arguably

[St1ck]

4 minutes ago, Adam said:

Arguably

Is Hunter Biden having a job internationaly a security risk? Is Trump's decision to hold back aid to Ukraine due to him wanting to end corruption? What's more plausible, those scenerios, or Trump putting his own interests ahead of anything else?

[Adam]

I think a sitting Vice President blackmailing a foreign leader for personal gain or something like that is important regardless of when it happened. I think a concerted effort by political opponents to create a Russian collusion hoax is important too.

We all know what the intent was but it doesn’t really matter because the evidence isn’t there. 

And Let’s be real all foreign aid is quid pro quo. 

Trump is a dick. He sucks. Dems should run someone who can beat him 

[mtangelsfan]

7 minutes ago, st1ckboy said:

Is Hunter Biden having a job internationaly a security risk? Is Trump's decision to hold back aid to Ukraine due to him wanting to end corruption? What's more plausible, those scenerios, or Trump putting his own interests ahead of anything else?

Government has and will forever be putting its own interests above anything else.  This is the most basic truth in politics.

Trump is politics personified 

[tdawg87]

9 minutes ago, Adam said:

I think a sitting Vice President blackmailing a foreign leader for personal gain or something like that is important regardless of when it happened. I think a concerted effort by political opponents to create a Russian collusion hoax is important too.

We all know what the intent was but it doesn’t really matter because the evidence isn’t there. 

And Let’s be real all foreign aid is quid pro quo. 

Trump is a dick. He sucks. Dems should run someone who can beat him 

You guys keep trying to normalize quid pro quo (just like Trump!) but in no way is withholding aid to another country UNLESS they investigate a political opponent "normal". It's an impeachable offense. It goes against the Title of Nobility Clause. But obviously none of that matters.

Whatever Biden did is probably horrible as F*ck and he should absolutely be punished for it. He's a piece of shit just like Hillary. F*ck the Bidens and F*ck the Clintons.

But that's all a distraction from what the PRESIDENT is doing. 

You also seem to be so convinced that the "Russian Collusion" thing is a hoax yet Trump is still trying to bury it. If it's a hoax and there clearly was nothing damning in the Mueller report (there was btw, I actually read it), then why is he and the GOP still concerned about it? Just move on, right? 

F*ck you.

I'm taking my meds.

[St1ck]

10 minutes ago, Adam said:

I think a sitting Vice President blackmailing a foreign leader for personal gain or something like that is important regardless of when it happened. I think a concerted effort by political opponents to create a Russian collusion hoax is important too.

We all know what the intent was but it doesn’t really matter because the evidence isn’t there. 

And Let’s be real all foreign aid is quid pro quo. 

Trump is a dick. He sucks. Dems should run someone who can beat him 

The problem is that all evidence leads to no wrong doing on the Biden's end. Even if there was evidence it would be hard pressed to say Trump investigated for any other reason than his own personal gain. For a guy whose had a campaign slogan was drain the swamp, he has one of the swampiest cabinets around. Between Zinke, Pruitt, Devos, and apparently now Rick Perry:

AP News: After boost from Perry, backers got huge gas deal in Ukraine
After boost from Perry, backers got huge gas deal in Ukraine

https://apnews.com/6d8ae551fb884371a2a592ed85a74426

[St1ck]

15 minutes ago, mtangelsfan said:

Government has and will forever be putting its own interests above anything else.  This is the most basic truth in politics.

Trump is politics personified 

[tennischmp]

1 hour ago, Adam said:

I think a sitting Vice President blackmailing a foreign leader for personal gain or something like that is important regardless of when it happened. I think a concerted effort by political opponents to create a Russian collusion hoax is important too.

We all know what the intent was but it doesn’t really matter because the evidence isn’t there. 

And Let’s be real all foreign aid is quid pro quo. 

Trump is a dick. He sucks. Dems should run someone who can beat him 

There is nothing wrong with what Joe Biden did. He got the persecutor fired who wasn't investigating corruption, a prosecutor that wasn't investigating companies such as the one Hunter Biden was on. And all that was the consensus of Obama, the Senate and House, and all the members of the EU and the Ukrainian parliament. Sure Hunter Biden taking a job as a board member of a company based on his name is slimy. Kids of famous and powerful people shouldn't do that but they do, see Trump's kids. It isn't illegal. But Joe Biden did nothing to help Hunter. He replaced a prosecutor that wasn't doing investigations.

[Blarg]

So it's cool that the vice president can hold up foreign aide until a country submits to removing people from their justice system.

This is ok to you guys. Meddling in another countries justice system. Not even CIA spook level, blatantly out in the open extortion.

But President Trump can't hold up foreign aide to request clarification on those actions while not demanding anyone lose their job. 

No wonder the Democrats lost the last election, you are their constituents. 

 

[tennischmp]

2 hours ago, Blarg said:

So it's cool that the vice president can hold up foreign aide until a country submits to removing people from their justice system.

This is ok to you guys. Meddling in another countries justice system. Not even CIA spook level, blatantly out in the open extortion.

But President Trump can't hold up foreign aide to request clarification on those actions while not demanding anyone lose their job. 

No wonder the Democrats lost the last election, you are their constituents. 

 

Yea one was for fighting corruption in Ukraine and the other is getting dirt on a political opponent. But no one here would expect you to see the difference

[Rico]

13 hours ago, Blarg said:

Is against any law for the President to freeze funds to foreign countries? 

Yes.

It's against the law for the President to withhold money that has been appropriated by congress without a valid reason to do so.  The President is required by law to notify congress why he is freezing the funds.

It's called the Impoundment Control Act of 1974.  (Created because Nixon was abusing his power.)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Congressional_Budget_and_Impoundment_Control_Act_of_1974

 

The U.S. Government Accountability Office (GAO) is investigating the matter.

https://www.politico.com/news/2019/11/07/gao-trump-ukraine-military-aid-067439

[Crampknees]

23 hours ago, Lou said:

"...Chanting “humanity first,” dozens of people protested outside the UCLA hall on Sunday where Donald Trump Jr. was speaking as part of a promotional tour for his new book. "

lol 

Why did he go to that Lib school Lou attended to pimp his book and not to Bama or Ole Miss?  Lou?

[tdawg87]

8 hours ago, Blarg said:

So it's cool that the vice president can hold up foreign aide until a country submits to removing people from their justice system.

This is ok to you guys. Meddling in another countries justice system. Not even CIA spook level, blatantly out in the open extortion.

But President Trump can't hold up foreign aide to request clarification on those actions while not demanding anyone lose their job. 

No wonder the Democrats lost the last election, you are their constituents. 

 

This is Facking retarded. Jesus ass Christ, Blarg.