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Curt Flood


Angels 1961

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He essentially retired after his age 31 season in 1969 (only 40 PAs for the Sens in 1971), giving up some 6-7 seasons to pursue changing how players were treated by the owners.

If he didn’t do that, he likely would have had a chance at 3,000 hits.  As it was, he had 1,854 hits already by age 31.

And on top of that, seven straight GG’s

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12 minutes ago, Stradling said:

I agree that Flood should be in, but calling Edgar and Mussina “relative nothings” is ignorant. 

Not once did Edgar Martinez nor Mussina move the needle at all. Martinez led the league in doubles twice, RBI once, and had a stellar season in 1995 when he finished 3rd in the MVP voting.

Mussina led the league in wins one year.  He went 1-1 in 2 world series games, with a 3.00 ERA.  Neither have a memorable moment in their careers at all.  Martinez was an awesome compiler.

They are charter members in the Hall of Good, and an argument can be made that they are even in the Hall of Very Good.  They shouldn't be in the Hall of Fame unless they buy a ticket.

 

Curt Flood is a legend who, by his sacrifices, changed the course for the absolute better for every single baseball player in the last 50 years.  It is insane he isn't in the Hall of Fame.

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14 minutes ago, Angel Oracle said:

He essentially retired after his age 31 season in 1969 (only 40 PAs for the Sens in 1971), giving up some 6-7 seasons to pursue changing how players were treated by the owners.

If he didn’t do that, he likely would have had a chance at 3,000 hits.  As it was, he had 1,854 hits already by age 31.

And on top of that, seven straight GG’s

Curt Flood, with the sacrifices he made, and the importance he was to the game, could have Jeff Mathis hitting stats and should still be in the Hall of Fame.

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9 minutes ago, yk9001 said:

Not once did Edgar Martinez nor Mussina move the needle at all. Martinez led the league in doubles twice, RBI once, and had a stellar season in 1995 when he finished 3rd in the MVP voting.

Mussina led the league in wins one year.  He went 1-1 in 2 world series games, with a 3.00 ERA.  Neither have a memorable moment in their careers at all.  Martinez was an awesome compiler.

They are charter members in the Hall of Good, and an argument can be made that they are even in the Hall of Very Good.  They shouldn't be in the Hall of Fame unless they buy a ticket.

 

Curt Flood is a legend who, by his sacrifices, changed the course for the absolute better for every single baseball player in the last 50 years.  It is insane he isn't in the Hall of Fame.

Except they put up hall of fame numbers.  

Also remember I agreed with you about Flood deserving to be in the Hall of Fame.  

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Curt Flood deserves to be in the Hall if Marvin Miller is in the Hall.  

Curt Flood may have ended up with 3000 hits if he kept playing.  He was great defensively.  He was only 100 OPS+ guy.  

He’s the type that should get in for what he did for the league, not what he did on the field.  

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There should be a special plaque / even room for Curt Flood at the HOF -- it should be endorsed, sponsored and financed with contributions from the MLBPA -- they are the major beneficiaries of the sacrifices made by Curt Flood (that negatively impacted and shortened his playing career -- essentially, Curt Flood gave up a significant amount of income and revenue stream to his family for the betterment of every MLBPA member from his time onward - Curt Flood himself never benefitted financially from his efforts - in fact, just the opposite).

Every MLB player today should be grateful to Curt Flood.

But the tone-deaf HOF committee seems to not understand these things.  I am still amazed at their total case of tone-deafness in not inducting a major MLB goodwill Ambassador - Buck O'Neill -- to the HOF when the Committee had a chance to do so before Buck O'Neill passed away.  They missed out having Buck O'Neill giving a great induction speech with a smile a mile wide and an unmatched enthusiasm for the game that did not always treat him well.  How MLB / HOF committee missed that is beyond me.  Video of that speech -- which never had the chance to be given -- would have been on the highlight reels for years to come..........I will never understand that call - it was a no brainer IMO.

and Curt Flood ? Probably did as much to impact today's game as much as any player who ever played the game.  But no room in the Hall for him............

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On 2/28/2020 at 9:24 AM, Stradling said:

I agree that Flood should be in, but calling Edgar and Mussina “relative nothings” is ignorant. 

Edgar to me is borderline, as basically a career DH he didn't provide as much to the team as a position player would.

Mussina is absolutely a HOF pitcher.  270 wins and something like a 125 ERA+ and a workhorse until later in his career.

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10 minutes ago, nate said:

Edgar to me is borderline, as basically a career DH he didn't provide as much to the team as a position player would.

Mussina is absolutely a HOF pitcher.  270 wins and something like a 125 ERA+ and a workhorse until later in his career.

Edgar had a 147 OPS+ for his career. 

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On 2/28/2020 at 7:30 AM, Angel Oracle said:

He essentially retired after his age 31 season in 1969 (only 40 PAs for the Sens in 1971), giving up some 6-7 seasons to pursue changing how players were treated by the owners.

If he didn’t do that, he likely would have had a chance at 3,000 hits.  As it was, he had 1,854 hits already by age 31.

And on top of that, seven straight GG’s

Flood said in an interview that not one player had ever thanked him for what he did for the players.

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