The Official 2018 Minor League Statline and Prospect Discussion Thread

[Angel Oracle]

5 minutes ago, Tank said:

the ball was coming off of his bat well...

"But we'll get him to where he needs to be."

Have to admit, when Scioscia is no longer managing, I won't miss those same few every day comments of his.   They do get real old after 19 seasons.

 

[Docwaukee]

31 minutes ago, Angelsfan1984 said:

Angels released OF Rymer Liriano.

Liriano presumably exercised an opt-out in his minor league deal with the Halos. The 27-year-old outfielder had an .866 OPS with 16 home runs, 68 RBI, and six stolen bases in 65 games this season at Triple-A Salt Lake. He should find a new organization rather quickly.

 

Seemed like a decent piece to include in a trade...oh well

SLC inflated for sure.  

[Angelsfan1984]

1 minute ago, Dochalo said:

SLC inflated for sure.  

Gotcha. I don't actually get a chance to watch the games, I just come here for the updates.

[Taylor]

14 hours ago, totdprods said:

How many relevant switch-hitting 5'10" white dudes middle-infielders with plus speed and good plate discipline are there currently?

 

[totdprods]

Poor dude. 1000 MLB PAs in 6 seasons and not a single HR. Heck he only managed one triple.

[Inside Pitch]

1 hour ago, totdprods said:

Cesar Puello 2.0

Pretty much....  Before him he was Rafael something...     27 year olds picked up off the discard file tend not to have a lot of trade value.

[totdprods]

2 minutes ago, Inside Pitch said:

Pretty much....  Before him he was Rafael something...     27 year olds picked up off the discard file tend not to have a lot of trade value.

Rymer looked good in ST I thought. Good at-bats. I actually would've preferred to see him get opportunity before Blash, but oh well.

[Second Base]

27 minutes ago, Inside Pitch said:

Pretty much....  Before him he was Rafael something...     27 year olds picked up off the discard file tend not to have a lot of trade value.

Ortega if I'm not mistaken 

[mulwin444]

1 hour ago, Scotty@AW said:

Ortega if I'm not mistaken 

https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/o/ortegra01.shtml

Got 200 PAs in 2016...yeesh

[Angel Oracle]

2 hours ago, Taylor said:

 

Williamsport Willits

[rafibomb]

Luis Rengifo with a triple and a homerun in his first 3 at-bats

[Angelsjunky]

I've got a Rengiboner.

[rafibomb]

8 minutes ago, Angelsjunky said:

I've got a Rengiboner.

I've got a Bonergifo.

[NachoPop]

50 minutes ago, rafibomb said:

Luis Rengifo with a triple and a homerun in his first 3 at-bats

+ a walk now. Can do it all

[John Smith]

No baseball stadium, pro team for Pueblo; Owlz owner backs out

https://www.pueblowestview.com/news/no-baseball-stadium-pro-team-for-pueblo-owlz-owner-backs/article_703d8b43-9c0b-5687-8618-d06caf93c93e.html

[Chuck]

 

[Angelsjunky]

Not a glowing scouting report on Rengifo. I guess he projects as a bench player. I know I'm biased but I just think he's going to outperform the scouting report.

[Chuck]

1 hour ago, Angelsjunky said:

Not a glowing scouting report on Rengifo. I guess he projects as a bench player. I know I'm biased but I just think he's going to outperform the scouting report.

Sounds like an armchair scout. Never heard of that website.

Disregard. 

[Chuck]

1 hour ago, Angelsjunky said:

Not a glowing scouting report on Rengifo. I guess he projects as a bench player. I know I'm biased but I just think he's going to outperform the scouting report.

Baseball America projected Mike Trout's ceiling as Aaron Rowand.

And they're a reputable scouting source.

[Docwaukee]

2 hours ago, Angelsjunky said:

Not a glowing scouting report on Rengifo. I guess he projects as a bench player. I know I'm biased but I just think he's going to outperform the scouting report.

He already has from what I've seen this year which is probably about 40-50 of his at bats over the course of 20+ games.  

I think I mentioned earlier in this thread that his speed has played way up and he's faster than many have said.  Fringe - average runner is way low.  He's not a true burner, but he's got 50-55 grade speed.  He's actually got more power from the right.  The hit tool is where it's hard to say he's gonna be wrong.  Contact has been plus but he'll need to continue to find gaps and lines for xbh as he does look a bit slappy at times.  But there's sneaky power there that could develop more.  

He plays a capable SS and his arm is avg.  Definitely a 2bman going forward.  I've seen him range in both directions and into short RF without issue.  In fact, it's not plus but seemed above avg to me.  He's got more athleticism than is being conveyed so there's potential and he's not a totally finished product.  

The author pegs him as a safe bet for util which to me means that's his floor.   And I think that's fair.  But i've seen a much more dynamic player than that.  The 'hydrant' frame reminded me of someone who used to be in the org and we wish still was.  Most didn't think Segura would stick on the left side because of his arm.  They called his speed avg to slightly above and like his bat speed but didn't like his discipline.  So a bit different there but Rengifo has discipline in spades.  

We shall see.  

[Second Base]

I recall reading less than glowing reports on the Indians' Jose Ramirez. Soft, not a burner, average bat, more gap power than HR power. 

Guess they missed on that one.

As for Rengifo, I don't mind the scouting report. It seems borderline reputable to me, probably as good or better than anything I'll write.

But I'm not doubting the man's writing ability as much as I am his scouting ability. He hits a lot of the main points but undersells his bat. What he calls 45-55 I'd call 55-60. Its that good. And even if he walks less and K's more against good pitching, the BB/K will remain stellar. And the fringe average speed part I don't get. Rengifo can motor. He isn't blazing fast but he's clearly well above average. He says he's a good runner based on instincts rather than speed, and I've observed the exact opposite so far. He succeeds because he's fast, but he doesn't pick his spots well. Not instinctual to me.

The defensive report is exactly what I've observed, but rather than trying to make myself sound smart, I like to put it in terms that everyone can understand that's easy to read. Meaning, he's a good defensive second baseman and a below average defensive SS. Can probably play 3B just fine.

Comparing him with Segura, Jean was a better athlete with a stronger trunk. I thought Segura had no hope at staying at SS thus deep into his career because I figured those thick legs would make him immobile. 

But I was wrong, they're just strong and it makes Segura fast.

I think the biggest thing this guy missed on with Rengifo was his aggressive play. He doesn't take a single pitch off. He's aggressive on defensive, when he swings, its aggressive, not passive or placement based, and when he's on the bases he creates chaos. They know he isn't afraid of being thrown out and do everyone is on a state of alert. Even as a viewer I can see that because anytime he's on, he's doing something.

The end result is a floor utility type, a ceiling of borderline star middle infielder and a likely result of a solid starting middle infielder.

Thr only problem is, I'm not convinced that happens in an Angels uniform. Fletcher, Cozart, Simmons, Ward, Jahmai Jones all play the same spots advanced Rengifo. He'll need to unseat quite a few good players to get that opportunity for the Angels. 

So unless they get rid of Cozart or Ward, I think Rengifo ends up as trade bait.

[Angel Oracle]

7 hours ago, Angelsjunky said:

Not a glowing scouting report on Rengifo. I guess he projects as a bench player. I know I'm biased but I just think he's going to outperform the scouting report.

I guess that scout picked a bad day to start sniffing glue?

[wopphil]

The scouting reports are nice and all, but at the end of the day, perhaps his performance ought to be given more consideration. Across three levels - where he has ranged from young for the league to very young - he has put up a .915 OPS. He has hit for average, some moderate power, and has demonstrated excellent plate discipline. Scouting reports once said Trout might hit 15 homeruns. 

Let's see what Rengifo can do at the bigs. Trade Kinsler, call up Rengifo, and give him 200 plate appearances. See if he can be counted on to help next year. 

[Chuck]

3 hours ago, wopphil said:

The scouting reports are nice and all, but at the end of the day, perhaps his performance ought to be given more consideration. Across three levels - where he has ranged from young for the league to very young - he has put up a .915 OPS. He has hit for average, some moderate power, and has demonstrated excellent plate discipline. Scouting reports once said Trout might hit 15 homeruns. 

Let's see what Rengifo can do at the bigs. Trade Kinsler, call up Rengifo, and give him 200 plate appearances. See if he can be counted on to help next year. 

I agree!

[Second Base]

3 hours ago, wopphil said:

The scouting reports are nice and all, but at the end of the day, perhaps his performance ought to be given more consideration. Across three levels - where he has ranged from young for the league to very young - he has put up a .915 OPS. He has hit for average, some moderate power, and has demonstrated excellent plate discipline. Scouting reports once said Trout might hit 15 homeruns. 

Let's see what Rengifo can do at the bigs. Trade Kinsler, call up Rengifo, and give him 200 plate appearances. See if he can be counted on to help next year. 

Come September, let's see what they all can do.  Rengifo, Ward, Thaiss, Fletcher, Hermosillo, Fernandez.....

Get them in the lineup on a consistent basis.  If nothing else, it'll give them a small taste of the adjustments they'll need to make if they want to succeed in the majors and it'll allow the Angels to gauge a little on the prospective 2019 roster.  Every single one of those guys is capable of hitting major league pitching if they make the proper adjustments. 

Don't guarantee a roster spot to any position player outside of Trout, Ohtani, Simmons and Upton. 

Don't get me wrong, I love this new and improved Kole Calhoun, but before I'm comfortable going with him next year, I'd need to know that we won't have to go through another April, May June slump that completely torpedoes the offense.