The Moment It All Went Wrong

[tdawg87]

I'm not making the claim one way or the other. You are the one claiming that everyone was positive about the signing. I'm asking for you to prove it.

[Ohtaniland]

http://angelswin.com/forum/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=43445&start=1

[Bruce Nye]

I'm not making the claim one way or the other. You are the one claiming that everyone was positive about the signing. I'm asking for you to prove it.

 

 

 

 

Haha - nope, I won't play that game.  You need to prove me wrong.  (Plus, I don't know how to go back to 2007/2008 and search it.)

[tdawg87]

Haha - nope, I won't play that game.  You need to prove me wrong.  (Plus, I don't know how to go back to 2007/2008 and search it.)

 

So in other words, you don't have proof.

 

Got it.

[tdawg87]

Also that is an incredibly fallacious argument. You can't make a claim and then tell people to "prove me wrong". How about you support your claim first?

[Amazing Larry]

http://angelswin.com/forum/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=43445&start=1

mp170.6 owned people in that thread.

[FireThemAll]

Clearly not everyone liked the Scioscia signing Bruce. Reading through that thread there was a lot of disagreement about what Scioscia was actually worth. We overpaid the man for too many years, and it wasn't hard for people to see it then either. It's just more obvious now because now Scisocia can't even get us to the playoffs.

[The God of Runs]

I think everyone can agree that it all went wrong on April 11, 1961

[arch stanton]

I still see us winning a World Series in the next 2 years (maybe both) so I'll pass on this discussion.

[nando714]

It went wrong when we took Dominoes pizza out the stadium

[Spirit]

Kuddos to Glen. My how quickly people forget. There were plenty who didnt like the move. Glen was one, I was another, he'll, even Chuck didn't like the move.

Giving Scioscia that contract gave him the free pass to believe he was irreplaceable.

Oh yeah.... Buttercup is a very close second.

 

 

Please post the thread where you guys railed against the signing.

[tdawg87]

That isn't how it works. He and Glen were responding to Bruce's claim that there was "not one peep of disagreement". When one person makes a claim, the burden of proof falls on them, not the people disagreeing with it.

[Ohtaniland]

I still see us winning a World Series in the next 2 years (maybe both) so I'll pass on this discussion.

Lol, have another whiskey Tuco.

[Brandon]

I like the internet rules for debate.

[tdawg87]

I like the internet rules for debate.

 

Uh no, it's a pretty well known logical fallacy.

[Brandon]

Then don't correspond with people that don't adhere to your rules, seems pretty simple.

I probably shouldn't have said anything, I just don't take the internet seriously enough or care about someone trying to argue on the internet. I'd just avoid it opposed to asking for reasoning which you're obviously not going to get if you have to even question someones posting methods in the first place.

[tdawg87]

"My rules".

 

Yeah, I make up the general rules for logical and reasonable arguments in the English language.

[Brandon]

Well, you seem to be upset with them on the internet

[tdawg87]

I'm not upset, idiot. I'm butthurt.

[stormngt]

I never said Matsui over Vladdy in 2010 was a good move, but this thread is titled "the Moment it All Went Wrong". Choosing Matsui over Vladdy clearly wasn't the moment it all went wrong. It had almost no impact on anything outside of slightly worse production for ONE year. It is such a minor move especially when you consider this franchise has endured Adenhart's death (RIP), the Wells trade, the Morales injury, the Pujols signing, and the Hamilton signing. Those are legit moments that "changed it all" you can argue. Choosing Matsui over Vladdy? Not so much...

 

I don't know if you deliberately misleading or just being ignorant.  However, you commented on a thread I made which focused on each decision going from bad to worse.   Choosing Vladdy over Matsui was the first example of a bad decision and I call that bad.  Then I listed about ten other decisions all being worse.  Thus the purpose of my thread:  Bad to worse!

[stormngt]

(sarcasm) Storm I'm a fan of Arte.

 

We need the sarcasm icon back!  My apologies!

[stormngt]

One more thing to add about poor decisions after Bill Stoneman resigned!

 

Just figured this out.  However, another argument on when it went wrong was the failed trade attempt for Miguel Cabrera.  Wasn't that failed negotiations under Reagins early tenure??????

[NJHalo]

I was giing to mention the failed attenpt to get Miguel Cabrera also.

Just try to figure out how the dominos would have fallen had that trade been consumated

[Ohtaniland]

I don't know if you deliberately misleading or just being ignorant.  However, you commented on a thread I made which focused on each decision going from bad to worse.   Choosing Vladdy over Matsui was the first example of a bad decision and I call that bad.  Then I listed about ten other decisions all being worse.  Thus the purpose of my thread:  Bad to worse!

 

I agree that Vlad should have stayed but Hideki Matsui for $6M gave us .274 / 21hrs / 84rbi's and led the team with a .361OBP.

We could only wish that Josh Hamilton would have given us at least that this season. Besides MATSUILAND was fun.

[FireThemAll]

Matsui was not a bad DH that season. I refuse to acknowledge that that move had anything to do with the start of our downfall. That was the ultimate "nothing" move. I loved Vladdy, and wanted him to stay, but he was at the end of the road. They decided to go with Matsui who provided decent production for cheap.