Angels not ruling out a 5 man rotation, Ohtani is open to it

[mmc]

[Dtwncbad]

I am a little more interested to see if they are also considering having 9 hitters in the lineup.

[jsnpritchett]

Here's a link to the full article this excerpt is from.  It also includes a broad overview/analysis of Minasian's stance that the team isn't far off from contending.

https://theathletic.com/3894695/2022/11/14/angels-perry-minasian-offseason/

 

[BTH]

They’re probably gonna need to switch back to a 5-man rotation eventually, so I wouldn’t hate doing it in a season that’s likely gonna be a transitional one anyway.

[Angels 1961]

Yeah, six-man rotation has not produced a winning season. Let's go old school and have 4-man rotation. It worked for Billy Martin, at least 1 year

[Slegnaac]

Ohtani proving that he can fit into a 5 man rotation will increase his value as a pitcher.

[Deek]

I often wonder how much the 6-man rotation impacts potential FA pitchers from signing with the Angels... The situation seemed perfect for Thor last year coming off of surgery (might still be good for him this year) and maybe for a guy like Verlander... But I can see a lot of guys having a negative impression of it...

 

[HanfordGuy]

Other than Chris Rodriguez and Griffin Canning, are there any other Halo pitchers that would have an innings cap for 2023 that would be better suited in a 6 man rotation?

[halonatic13]

59 minutes ago, Slegnaac said:

Ohtani proving that he can fit into a 5 man rotation will increase his value as a pitcher.

This is exactly the point.  He knows if he doesn't sign an extension, more teams will be wanting to sign him since they don't need to change their style of rotation.

Ohtani will make 60 mil a season easily in free agency.  Figure 20 for being a hitter and 40 for being a pitcher.

[Blarg]

Nobody is paying 60 million a season for Ohtani. 

[Angel Oracle]

15 minutes ago, Blarg said:

Nobody is paying 60 million a season for Ohtani. 

$45-$50 million will be the max.

Can’t necessarily equate both hitting stats and pitching stats combined money wise.   No player, even Ohtani, is currently worth $60 million AAV!

[AngelsLakersFan]

4 hours ago, halonatic13 said:

This is exactly the point.  He knows if he doesn't sign an extension, more teams will be wanting to sign him since they don't need to change their style of rotation.

Ohtani will make 60 mil a season easily in free agency.  Figure 20 for being a hitter and 40 for being a pitcher.

I think going to a 5 man rotation is a pretty bold risk for Ohtani. He's already going to get a huge contract, how much more could this really earn him? The downside is he has fatigue or injury and puts his long term pitching prospects into question. 

[Blarg]

Or he could be like the other Cy Young candidates and pitch 32 games. Time for him to be a MLB not a Japanese pitcher. 

[halonatic13]

5 hours ago, Angel Oracle said:

$45-$50 million will be the max.

Can’t necessarily equate both hitting stats and pitching stats combined money wise.   No player, even Ohtani, is currently worth $60 million AAV!

Ok.  Remember this post.  IF he goes open market.  Be ready.

[stormngt]

6 hours ago, halonatic13 said:

This is exactly the point.  He knows if he doesn't sign an extension, more teams will be wanting to sign him since they don't need to change their style of rotation.

Ohtani will make 60 mil a season easily in free agency.  Figure 20 for being a hitter and 40 for being a pitcher.

40 for a pitcher?  Has there ever been 40 for a pitcher?  One that hasn't won a Cy young?

[Dtwncbad]

1 hour ago, Blarg said:

Time for him to be a MLB not a Japanese pitcher.

So stop hitting?

[halonatic13]

8 minutes ago, stormngt said:

40 for a pitcher?  Has there ever been 40 for a pitcher?  One that hasn't won a Cy young?

Max Scherzer is making $43,333,333 per year!

[Angelsjunky]

8 hours ago, Dtwncbad said:

I am a little more interested to see if they are also considering having 9 hitters in the lineup.

Love: 8+ hitters

Like: 7 hitters

Live with: 6 hitters

Loathe: 2022, redux (3-4 hitters)

Edited November 15, 2022 by Angelsjunky

[Docwaukee]

call it whatever you want.  

they got 33 starts from about 20m spent on Noah and Lorenzen this year.   

Maybe you get another 3-4 starts out of Shohei and put him at greater risk for injury and at least fatigue.  

They've got four legit rotation pieces that are probably gonna avg 25-30 starts.  So you need to fill in another 40-60. 

Add a starter and that's another 25-30

They've got some high end depth to cover a portion of that in guys like Silseth, Bush, Rodriguez and Canning.   Plus you've got Barria and Davidson as well as a hodgepodge of others.  

One way or another, you're gonna need 15-30 from guys outside of your top 5 starters and that's if you add a starter.  

You might start the season with 5 guys in the rotation but I'd bet by the time the season is done, the combined number of start needed outside of those top 5 guys is more than any one of them make over the course of the year.  

So how you divvy that up over 162 games is season management.  

But realistically, no matter what you call it, it's a six man rotation.  

[Docwaukee]

Another way to math it out:

5 guys with 150 innings means you need another 150 innings from your starters if you're going to have a good rotation.  

Those near 180 innings from Noah and Lorenzen were actually pretty important even though they were mediocre because it kept Junk, Toussaint, Diaz, Mayers, Rosenberg, Davidson and a bunch of minor league scrubs from having to fill that gap.  

The rotation had some depth this year.  If they skimp on that shit then they haven't learned a single lesson.  

[stormngt]

10 hours ago, halonatic13 said:

Max Scherzer is making $43,333,333 per year!

Max never won a Cy young?

[halonatic13]

34 minutes ago, stormngt said:

Max never won a Cy young?

Who cares if he won an award.  The point is that a pitcher HAS been paid over 40 mil a year. Award or not.

[Stradling]

2 minutes ago, halonatic13 said:

Who cares if he won an award.  The point is that a pitcher HAS been paid over 40 mil a year. Award or not.

Ok but Ohtani isn’t getting $60 million and probably not $50 million. 

[Tank]

1 hour ago, Stradling said:

Ok but Ohtani isn’t getting $60 million and probably not $50 million. 

that's accurate because that's russell westbrook money, and ohtani is no russell westbrook.

 

 

 

 

bruin

[Lou]

44 minutes ago, Tank said:

that's accurate because that's russell westbrook money, and ohtani is no russell westbrook.

 

 

 

 

bruin

Ohtani just finish making $5.5 million.

Westbrook is being paid $47 million.

 

 

 

Bruin$