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2 hours ago, yvangelfan said:

There will be an impeachment of Trump.

He will be found "not guilty" by the Senate.

Once again, the public will hear "not guilty".

And Trump will win by a landslide in 2020.

Thank you, Nancy.

So you admit that just because the Senate declares him "not guilty," it doesn't necessarily mean he's innocent.

That's progress!

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https://www.thedailybeast.com/trumps-big-lie-about-joe-biden-hunter-biden-and-ukraine-falls-apart

Trump’s Big Lie About Joe Biden, Hunter Biden and Ukraine Falls Apart

The big lie spouted by Donald Trump and his allies in the unfurling Ukraine affair—an unprecedented abuse of public trust, which has now led directly to an impeachment inquiry—is that former Vice President Joe Biden urged the Ukrainians to fire the Kyiv general prosecutor, Viktor Shokin, in order to save Biden’s son's hide. Many of Trump’s cronies and foot soldiers have already spun this line, from Donald Trump Jr. to Rudy Giuliani to Arthur Schwartz.

Others have rightly pointed out that, in reality, Biden was not simply relaying the message pushed by the Obama administration, but that his position was supported by Ukrainian anti-corruption activists, European allies, and even groups like the International Monetary Foundation (IMF). As Tom Malinowski, former assistant secretary of state under Obama, recalled this week, “All of us working on Ukraine wanted this prosecutor gone, because he was NOT prosecuting corruption. So did the Europeans. So did the IMF. This didn't come from Joe Biden—he just delivered our message.”

That’s all, of course, true. Anyone interested in the success of Ukraine’s democratic transition, and its efforts to clean up rampant corruption, wanted Shokin gone. But here’s something that seems to have been lost in this geopolitical shuffle. Not only was Biden not trying to protect his son, Hunter, who was then working at a Ukrainian energy company named Burisma. If anything, what the former vice president did was make the prosecution of his son’s company more likely, not less—a fact that seems to have been overlooked, but which flips Trump’s lies on their head. 

 

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Just now, Ace-Of-Diamonds said:

In the real world, where Trump ha to be so stupid to ask for Ukraine's help after going thru the Russia investigation.

He saw the video of Joe Biden bragging about withholding a loan to Ukraine, and he asked about.

Anybody in the real world would've asked what the hell it was all about.

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23 minutes ago, yvangelfan said:

He saw the video of Joe Biden bragging about withholding a loan to Ukraine, and he asked about.

Anybody in the real world would've asked what the hell it was all about.

See article above, he was getting the prosecutor fired for corruption and for not prosecution of the company Hunter worked for. the new prosecutor then completed the prosecution, Biden didn't do this on his own the EU, the IMF and Obama were behind the Ukraine's in ridding themselves of this corrupt prosecutor. Biden wanted to stop the prosecutor not the prosecution. Hunter didn't start work for the company until well after the investigation into the company started. He has been found not guilty of any wrong doing at least twice so far.

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34 minutes ago, Ace-Of-Diamonds said:

https://www.thedailybeast.com/trumps-big-lie-about-joe-biden-hunter-biden-and-ukraine-falls-apart

Trump’s Big Lie About Joe Biden, Hunter Biden and Ukraine Falls Apart

The big lie spouted by Donald Trump and his allies in the unfurling Ukraine affair—an unprecedented abuse of public trust, which has now led directly to an impeachment inquiry—is that former Vice President Joe Biden urged the Ukrainians to fire the Kyiv general prosecutor, Viktor Shokin, in order to save Biden’s son's hide. Many of Trump’s cronies and foot soldiers have already spun this line, from Donald Trump Jr. to Rudy Giuliani to Arthur Schwartz.

Others have rightly pointed out that, in reality, Biden was not simply relaying the message pushed by the Obama administration, but that his position was supported by Ukrainian anti-corruption activists, European allies, and even groups like the International Monetary Foundation (IMF). As Tom Malinowski, former assistant secretary of state under Obama, recalled this week, “All of us working on Ukraine wanted this prosecutor gone, because he was NOT prosecuting corruption. So did the Europeans. So did the IMF. This didn't come from Joe Biden—he just delivered our message.”

That’s all, of course, true. Anyone interested in the success of Ukraine’s democratic transition, and its efforts to clean up rampant corruption, wanted Shokin gone. But here’s something that seems to have been lost in this geopolitical shuffle. Not only was Biden not trying to protect his son, Hunter, who was then working at a Ukrainian energy company named Burisma. If anything, what the former vice president did was make the prosecution of his son’s company more likely, not less—a fact that seems to have been overlooked, but which flips Trump’s lies on their head. 

 

Conservatives:

not interested la la la GIF

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6 hours ago, yvangelfan said:

The first prosecutor, who it turns out was not corrupt, was investigating Burisma.

Biden had him fired. The replacement prosecutor did nothing.

Hunter Biden's attorneys sent a letter to the original prosecutor and apologized for defaming him.

The original prosecutor fell on the sword, so that his country could receive 1.5 billion from Biden.

 

Viktor Shokin is the prosecutor that the Obama administration wanted fired.  Here is his wiki page.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viktor_Shokin

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In one notorious case, two of Shokin's prosecutors were caught with stashes of diamonds, cash and valuables in their homes, likely indicating bribery. Prosecutors from another department of Shokin's office were fired or reassigned when they attempted to bring a prosecution against the so-called "diamond prosecutors".

Great guy.

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