The first #Angels pitching injury of the spring.

[Dtwncbad]

2 hours ago, WeatherWonk said:

There goes any thought of Ohtani starting the season in AAA........if there ever was any, outside of AW. Or maybe Bridwell starts on the 25M roster.

Heaney's too tall and thin. All pitchers should be shaped like fireplug-Greg Maddux; short and squat. Shorter, thicker arm muscles.

Pitchers should be shorter to help avoid injuries?  Have you really thought this one through?

What kind of insane strain would there be on the joints of a 5'8" pitcher to hit mid 90s in velocity versus a smooth toss from a 6'6" guy?

[Ace-Of-Diamonds]

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   Jeff Fletcher‏Verified account @JeffFletcherOCR 37m37 minutes ago

    

#Angels Andrew Heaney said he’s not concerned about this elbow issue. He’s not sure when he’ll be cleared to pitch though. But already feels better.

[Dick B Back]

3 hours ago, ANAHEIMBOB said:

I would love to see John Lackey in an Angels uniform, teams that he has played for have made the postseason 10  times in his 15 year career. 

You’re not talking about 2017 Lackey are you?

[Ohtaniland]

4 minutes ago, Ace-Of-Diamonds said:

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   Jeff Fletcher‏Verified account @JeffFletcherOCR 37m37 minutes ago

    

#Angels Andrew Heaney said he’s not concerned about this elbow issue. He’s not sure when he’ll be cleared to pitch though. But already feels better.

Pretty much means he’s out for the season. 

[fan_since79]

1 hour ago, Ace-Of-Diamonds said:

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   Jeff Fletcher‏Verified account @JeffFletcherOCR 37m37 minutes ago

    

#Angels Andrew Heaney said he’s not concerned about this elbow issue. He’s not sure when he’ll be cleared to pitch though. But already feels better.

Aww, he feels better. Soon we'll be hearing about an outstanding bullpen session, followed by his enrollment in the witness protection program.

[Angelsfan1984]

Sucks to have Heaney out for the year with inflamed vaginitis. He must be on Richards training program.

[Ace-Of-Diamonds]

4 minutes ago, Angelsfan1984 said:

Sucks to have Heaney out for the year with inflamed vaginitis. He must be on Richards training program.

I hope Richards makes you eat your words when he wins the Cy Young award.

[Angelsfan1984]

17 minutes ago, Ace-Of-Diamonds said:

I hope Richards makes you eat your words when he wins the Cy Young award.

I hope he does, but I won't hold my breath.

[WeatherWonk]

2 hours ago, Dtwncbad said:

Pitchers should be shorter to help avoid injuries?  Have you really thought this one through?

What kind of insane strain would there be on the joints of a 5'8" pitcher to hit mid 90s in velocity versus a smooth toss from a 6'6" guy?

Did Maddux ever hit the mid-90s EVER? 

He never really needed to............

Movement and control. That's the secret to a long, relatively injury-free career.

Oh, and having a homeplate that was six inches wider, in the eyes of the umps. 

[WeatherWonk]

5 hours ago, SuperTroopers said:

Chris Sale and Randy Johnson agree.

Chris Sale and Randy Johnson are exceptions to my funnin'.

[Mark68]

4 hours ago, hangin n wangin said:

Except this guy's not short. He's about average height (5'11').

He's definitely squat, tho.

[Ace-Of-Diamonds]

30 minutes ago, WeatherWonk said:

Did Maddux ever hit the mid-90s EVER? 

He never really needed to............

Movement and control. That's the secret to a long, relatively injury-free career.

Oh, and having a homeplate that was six inches wider, in the eyes of the umps. 

Tell that to Nolan Ryan and Randy Johnson

[Dtwncbad]

45 minutes ago, WeatherWonk said:

Chris Sale and Randy Johnson are exceptions to my funnin'.

But Greg Maddux getting people out at 90 mph, arguably the best PITCHER (not thrower) I have ever seen is not an exception?

[WeatherWonk]

17 minutes ago, Dtwncbad said:

But Greg Maddux getting people out at 90 mph, arguably the best PITCHER (not thrower) I have ever seen is not an exception?

He IS/WAS the best pitcher I have ever seen. I should have added mixing speeds, movement and control.

And he held runners on pretty good. And he could handle the bat. And he was a GREAT fielder for a pitcher. The most complete pitcher I ever saw.

And he got lots of favorable strike calls. No doubt about it.

[Ace-Of-Diamonds]

Just now, WeatherWonk said:

He IS/WAS the best pitcher I have ever seen. I should have added mixing speeds, movement and control.

And he held runners on pretty good. And he could handle the bat. And he was a GREAT fielder for a pitcher. The most complete pitcher I ever saw.

Did you ever see Koufax pitch?

[Angel Oracle]

22 hours ago, Erstad Grit said:

John Lackey, Alex Cobb, RA Dickey, or in house Bridwell, or pray Heaney is healthy in two weeks? 

fify

[Ohtaniland]

24 minutes ago, Dtwncbad said:

But Greg Maddux getting people out at 90 mph, arguably the best PITCHER (not thrower) I have ever seen is not an exception?

Yep Maddox was a magician that could make pitches move at will. 

[WeatherWonk]

4 minutes ago, Ace-Of-Diamonds said:

Did you ever see Koufax pitch?

Yes. In person three times. He was dominant twice and got shelled once (did not make it out of the first).

Many times on TV, almost always against the Giants with Mays, McCovey, etc. Back in the 60s, the Dodger TV affiliate only broadcast away games from Candlestick. The NBC game of the week on Saturday always seemed to be an East Coast team, probably because of the time zones. So, West Coast teams were rarely on.

Then, there were the WS games, but many were in the daytime and I was in school, listening on a transistor radio, when I could.

Koufax was the most dominant pitcher I ever saw, slightly ahead of Gibson. Pedro might be third. But, growing up in SoCal, Koufax was my favorite player. Koufax and, strangely enough, Clemente.

Koufax was often wild, especially early on. Koufax averaged 3.2 BB/9, Johnson 3.3/9 and Ryan averaged a whopping 4.7 BB/9.

Maddux averaged 1.8 BB/9. He had many seasons where he averaged 1.5 or less.

If I wanted a pitcher to start a game 7 of the WS, it would be Maddux. Those other guys, if their speed or control were off, they could get beat. Even if Maddux didnt have his best stuff, you were gonna be in the game. He was certainly the SMARTEST pitcher I ever saw.

[Angel Oracle]

3 hours ago, Ace-Of-Diamonds said:

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   Jeff Fletcher‏Verified account @JeffFletcherOCR 37m37 minutes ago

    

#Angels Andrew Heaney said he’s not concerned about this elbow issue. He’s not sure when he’ll be cleared to pitch though. But already feels better.

File this one under routine ST - working out the kinks? 

[Angel Oracle]

1 hour ago, Angelsfan1984 said:

Sucks to have Heaney out for the year with inflamed vaginitis. He must be on Richards Nibs Nibbler's training program.

fify

[WeatherWonk]

Ok, back to the original thread, how many pitches did Heaney throw in his last start?

[ksangel]

Maddux did throw mid 90's as a 19 yr old (from Deadspin.com article about how he evolved into a pitcher)

 

 

 

 

[DCAngelsFan]

Cobb's off the market -  http://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/22849672/alex-cobb-agrees-baltimore-orioles-four-year-deal-worth-close-60-million  

Not that I wanted him - fading stats and draft compensation.  But funny/sad when if he's a total bust by contract end, he'll only" earn/cost $15m - such a deal compared to ...

[Angel Oracle]

On ‎3‎/‎20‎/‎2018 at 1:49 PM, WeatherWonk said:

Did Maddux ever hit the mid-90s EVER? 

He never really needed to............

Movement and control. That's the secret to a long, relatively injury-free career.

Oh, and having a homeplate that was six inches wider, in the eyes of the umps. 

Livan Hernandez in the 1997 NLDS?   Eric Gregg = his best friend.