Excellence - Part 2

[Make Angels Great Again]

Wow... a UK newspaper agrees that the UK has the best healthcare.

 

According to WHO they come in at 17th in the world.

 

"The NHS has been declared the best healthcare system by an international panel of experts who rated its care superior to countries which spend far more on health."

 

"The report has been produced by the Commonwealth Fund, a Washington-based foundation which is respected around the world for its analysis of the performance of different countries' health systems."

 

It's not just their opinion.

[nate]

http://thepatientfactor.com/canadian-health-care-information/world-health-organizations-ranking-of-the-worlds-health-systems/

[nate]

By the way, go to England and see how many fat people you come across.  I would say probably 10x more fat people in the US than in England.  There is your cost and access to care issues right there.  Fewer people living unhealthy lives means better quality of care.

 

Nobody ever wants to look at things that way though, it is just a what have you done for me attitude.

[Make Angels Great Again]

Those rankings look like they're 16 years old.

 

The report I linked looked at more recent data...including data from the WHO.

[Catwhoshatinthehat]

The UK NI is pretty damn pricey as employers and employees pay about 17% combined.  Employers pay the bulk of it but you can bet they aren't doing it out of the goodness of their hearts as it comes out of the bottom line which impacts the number of employees they hire.  

[nate]

The UK is also one of the most expensive places in the world to live.  I think London just took overall #1 in fact.

 

Oh, they also have the largest wage gap in the world.

Edited April 11, 2016 by nate

[Make Angels Great Again]

By the way, go to England and see how many fat people you come across.  I would say probably 10x more fat people in the US than in England.  There is your cost and access to care issues right there.  Fewer people living unhealthy lives means better quality of care.

 

Nobody ever wants to look at things that way though, it is just a what have you done for me attitude.

 

 

What was that you said? Saying things without backing them up? The US is fatter, yes, but not by a ton.

 

By about 4.5% according to this chart:

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2015/04/22/youll-never-guess-the-worlds-fattest-country-and-no-its-not-the-u-s/

[Make Angels Great Again]

I think Nate is just plugging his ears and going "La La La" at this point.

[nate]

6%

 

https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/rankorder/2228rank.html

[Thomas]

By the way, go to England and see how many fat people you come across.

 

We'd be too if we had to eat their food.

[Make Angels Great Again]

Again, your data is several years older.

[nate]

To put it another way.  In the US there are 105 million fat people.  In the UK there are 17.24 million fat people.

[Make Angels Great Again]

Their healthcare is more cost effective, better, and more acccessible.

 

Period.

[nate]

Their population is 1/5th the size of the US and they are healthier... period.

[Make Angels Great Again]

And the US has 970,000 doctors to the UK's 150,000

 

What's your point?

[halobob]

AFL is so wrong it's laughable.  

[ten ocho recon scout]

Getting desperate I see, linking a recording from 1978...lol.

I can argue it easily, all I have to do is point to the UK's success. It's universal healthcare is the best in the world.

im a sideliner here, but fwiw worth, a few friends of mine lived in britain when they got out of college. They didnt care for the hospital setup. They said they wait to see a doctor is ridiculous.

Im not arguing against universal health care, but like anything else its not perfect

[Make Angels Great Again]

AFL is so wrong it's laughable.  

 

Keep telling yourself that.

[Catwhoshatinthehat]

We have an office in the UK that I've been to multiple times now and I work regularly with individuals from that office.  It's not like we sit around and talk about their National Insurance but like anything after a while you get to know people better, share more about your non-work life and things come up.  Our company still pays for insurance that they offer to individuals in those offices that is in addition to NI.  The thing is in the UK that's considered a taxable benefit which means if you elect that coverage you're paying NI and getting taxed on the cost of the private insurance.  Everyone over there still elects the additional coverage because private insurance affords them certain things NI doesn't and some of it is wait time related.  The UK system may be better in some or many ways but it's expensive to employers and employees and it's far from perfect. 

[Make Angels Great Again]

im a sideliner here, but fwiw worth, a few friends of mine lived in britain when they got out of college. They didnt care for the hospital setup. They said they wait to see a doctor is ridiculous.

Im not arguing against universal health care, but like anything else its not perfect

 

 

I agree, nothing in this world is perfect (except for Nate's opinion, of course).

 

But you have to look at the larger picture.

[Make Angels Great Again]

We have an office in the UK that I've been to multiple times now and I work regularly with individuals from that office.  It's not like we sit around and talk about their National Insurance but like anything after a while you get to know people better, share more about your non-work life and things come up.  Our company still pays for insurance that they offer to individuals in those offices that is in addition to NI.  The thing is in the UK that's considered a taxable benefit which means if you elect that coverage you're paying NI and getting taxed on the cost of the private insurance.  Everyone over there still elects the additional coverage because private insurance affords them certain things NI doesn't and some of it is wait time related.  The UK system may be better in some or many ways but it's expensive to employers and employees and it's far from perfect. 

 

The US spends almost 3 times as much on healthcare. I fail to see the issue with cost.

[Jay]

do any of you have jobs?
 

[Catwhoshatinthehat]

Where are you getting that from?  The NHS article you linked says the US spends over 2x what the UK does but digging further tells you that includes private health insurance which is more common in the US.  The US spends more between private and public spending on healthcare but the amount of public spending vs. that of the UK is a smaller gap.   

[Make Angels Great Again]

I don't know that comparing public spending of the US vs the UK is a fair comparison considering the US isn't designed to operate that way.

[Make Angels Great Again]

I'm just looking at spending as a whole.