Bad Baserunning

[TroutField]

Just saw a graphic from MLB network that shows the worst baserunning teams in baseball based on outs made on the base paths. No surprise, our halos are 2nd worst one out behind the Rays, with 55. Guess we all just don't overreact, they are really that bad and constantl make bad decisions.

[eligrba]

Don't blame Scioscia...

 

Turn the page......

 

Tip the hat......

 

One out at a time......

[bloodbrother]

 

I don't think anybody is surprised to see this

[Stradling]

I'm not at all surprised.

[hen3ry]

It's disappointing, but you know, even if someone doesn't make the first or third out at third base, or get gunned down by 30 feet trying to score, it's not like the next hitter was going to knock em in anyway.  We suck just at bad at RISP as we do at taking the extra base.  It's not being overly aggressive if you're basically relying on the error or praying the next out will at least be productive.

[Turd Ferguson]

The only thing that is mildly surprising about this is that we have been on base enough to make that many outs. A feeble offense plus dumb baserunning is not a recipe for success.

[Guest]

Sosh would spin that "false stat" as them being very aggressive baserunners. In reality, however, it's dumb baserunning.

[Jeff Fletcher]

Most outs on the bases doesn't necessarily mean worst baserunning. You'd need to see the percentage and what the situations were when they made the outs.

I have a feeling they are much more middle of the pack of you look at in terms of percentage

[Guest]

Most outs on the bases doesn't necessarily mean worst baserunning. You'd need to see the percentage and what the situations were when they made the outs.

I have a feeling they are much more middle of the pack of you look at in terms of percentage

You're definitely right about that, Jeff. It would be interesting to see more detailed statistics. 

[TroutField]

You're definitely right about that, Jeff. It would be interesting to see more detailed statistics.

Does fan graphs have stats broken down like that?

[Stradling]

I would like to see over the last five years our projected runs and actual runs. Also outs on base paths over the last five years. If we take the average it would be great to see if we balance out or come out ahead.

[Guest]

Does fan graphs have stats broken down like that?

For some things, probably. But I can't imagine how one could measure very specific baserunning situations.

 

I'm actually in an advanced statistics graduate course right now (for computer science), and I'm trying to find a good topic to do my final project on–maybe this will fit the bill. 

[sneaky_flute]

Angels are middle of the pack in baserunning on Fangraphs with a 0.5 rating.

[Guest]

Angels are middle of the pack in baserunning on Fangraphs with a 0.5 rating.

Can you post the link?

[sneaky_flute]

http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=all&stats=bat&lg=all&qual=0&type=8&season=2015&month=0&season1=2015&ind=0&team=0,ts&rost=0&age=0&filter=&players=0&sort=17,d

[TroutField]

http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=all&stats=bat&lg=all&qual=0&type=8&season=2015&month=0&season1=2015&ind=0&team=0,ts&rost=0&age=0&filter=&players=0&sort=17,d

That's a cool link, thanks. Wow the diamondbacks are terrific at baserunning, doesn't seem like they had a bunch of burners but maybe they do.

[TroutField]

For some things, probably. But I can't imagine how one could measure very specific baserunning situations.

I'm actually in an advanced statistics graduate course right now (for computer science), and I'm trying to find a good topic to do my final project on–maybe this will fit the bill.

That's cool I never realized they have classes like that but it makes sense. What kind of school offers classes like that? Edited August 20, 2015 by AngelintheTroutfield

[eligrba]

Mark Twain once said that there are three types of lies:

1. Lies

2. Damned lies

3. Statistics

 

I think Scioscia agrees.

[Ray McKigney]

How many of these outs are a direct result of DiScarcina waving in a runner from third?

[Homebrewer]

That's a whole lot of pats on the butt and the back from Scioscia.

Stupid (er.. aggressive) outs on the base paths will get you back in the lineup tomorrow better than a 3-4 game.

[Guest]

That's cool I never realized they have classes like that but it makes sense. Where kind of school offers classes like that?

Yeah, it's an incredible class. I'm actually getting a M.S. in Computer Science at DePaul University.

 

The class focuses on data analysis & regression using SAS (an advanced program to analyze data) and R (a programming language for analyzing data). I recommend every statistician here to utilize R as it's very easy to learn, useful, and free. 

[Homebrewer]

Northside Chicago is fun in the summertime!

[Guest]

Northside Chicago is fun in the summertime!

I wish my campus was there. My campus is in the Loop (i.e downtown chicago).

 

Are you familiar with the city, Homebrewer?

Edited August 20, 2015 by failos

[Homebrewer]

Yep...used to spend a part of my summers there every year. Had an Aunt who lived on the North end of Lincoln park..

LSD and Belmont...overlooking the Marina...walk to Wrigley..

[Homebrewer]

I know where DePaul main campus on the N side is...and know the loop.

Chicago is a favorite city of mine...and I'm ex airline. Been around a little.