Since the opening 3 game sweep by the M's

[Angel Oracle]

Only 2 losses were by more than 2 runs , and those were by only 3 runs.

Who knows where this team would be if not for the bullpen?

[Angel Oracle]

I noticed the thread about 1 run games and run differential. Please feel free to merge this with that thread. Thank you

[Blarg]

Only 2 losses were by more than 2 runs , and those were by only 3 runs.

Who knows where this team would be if not for the bullpen?

 

The first loss (not counting Mariners) was to the Astros 4-7, Weaver gave up 5 runs. At no point did the Angels have the lead and scored 3 of their 4 runs in the 9th.

 

Second loss to Seattle 3-5, Santiago gave up 4 runs.

 

Third loss to Detroit 3-5, Wilson gave up 4 runs.

 

At no point did the bullpen actually factor into the losses.

[19HALO71]

How soon can we begin addressing the need in the bullpen with trades?

[Blarg]

When we have figured out how to provide them with a lead. Otherwise it is just a waste of time.

[Angel Oracle]

I will say that despite some of the offense totals, this team is very inconsistent (up one game and down the next at the plate).

And the RISP hitting is downright bad.

[WallyWorld]

When we have figured out how to provide them with a lead. Otherwise it is just a waste of time.

 

The Angels haven't led in enough of their games for your taste?   You won't concede that the bullpen is a major problem?

[AngelsFaninGA]

The Angels have lost 4 games this year where we had a late lead and the bullpen blew it. The 7-6 loss to the Mets, both losses to the A's, and the loss to the Nats. That's not even counting games like last night where the bullpen couldn't hold it together for one measly inning, the opener against the M's where the bullpen took a manageable 1-run game and blew it wide open, or the 2-1 loss to the Tigers where Jepsen came into a tie game and couldn't get one out. 

[Blarg]

Nope. The offense is hot or cold and almost non existent from innings 7-9. Outside of a couple of blow ups by Frieri and Wall and once by Smith the bullpen has done a passable job, especially since it wasn't really designed to hold teams completely scoreless for multiple innings per game. It was designed to be average and for most of the pitchers in the pen they have been that or better.

 

Look, there are a lot of problems the Angels are working on and most of it comes from two main players being on the DL. Keys, really to the consistent flow of the offense and to put a little more pressure on other teams, rather than a blow out here and there to pad stats then not providing more than 3 runs a game for 10 of the 24 games played. We don't have the stating staff to prevail in a lot of games where the Angels only score 3 runs or less.

[AngelsFaninGA]

The bullpen also has a tendency to only pitch well when the game is already decided, either because the offense put up 12 runs or because the starter sucked. So if we're already losing or up by 8 runs, the bullpen is lights out, but when it's tied or we have a slim lead, they suck.

[mtangelsfan]

When we have figured out how to provide them with a lead. Otherwise it is just a waste of time.

 

I haven't seen any of these kind of posts in any of Chuck's theads about the pen.

[Erstad Grit]

The first loss (not counting Mariners) was to the Astros 4-7, Weaver gave up 5 runs. At no point did the Angels have the lead and scored 3 of their 4 runs in the 9th.

 

Second loss to Seattle 3-5, Santiago gave up 4 runs.

 

Third loss to Detroit 3-5, Wilson gave up 4 runs.

 

At no point did the bullpen actually factor into the losses.

 

 

Flawed logic there. Some of those runs were inherited runs that the BP gave up. 

[markb]

Nope. The offense is hot or cold and almost non existent from innings 7-9. 

 

Scoring by inning:

 

1-3:  45

4-6:  44

7-9:  39

 

A little less, sure, but "nonexistent" is exactly the kind of hyperbole you're defending the bullpen against.  FWIW, the same breakdown for opponents:

 

1-3: 28

4-6: 24

7-9: 41

[Stradling]

Wow, that's crazy how many late inning runs we've allowed, although I bunch of those were in games 1-3 of the season.

[tdawg87]

Eric is doing it for the lulz.

[AngelsFaninGA]

Scoring by inning:

 

1-3:  45

4-6:  44

7-9:  39

 

A little less, sure, but "nonexistent" is exactly the kind of hyperbole you're defending the bullpen against.  FWIW, the same breakdown for opponents:

 

1-3: 28

4-6: 24

7-9: 41

 

The Angels are actually tied for 6th in runs scored after the 6th inning. Chicago, interestingly, has 65 runs, 10 more than the next closest team and 24 more than the Angels. 

[Docwaukee]

the offense is by far the worst in the league in high leverage.  

[AngelsLakersFan]

The first loss (not counting Mariners) was to the Astros 4-7, Weaver gave up 5 runs. At no point did the Angels have the lead and scored 3 of their 4 runs in the 9th.

 

Second loss to Seattle 3-5, Santiago gave up 4 runs.

 

Third loss to Detroit 3-5, Wilson gave up 4 runs.

 

At no point did the bullpen actually factor into the losses.

 

 

Nope. The offense is hot or cold and almost non existent from innings 7-9. Outside of a couple of blow ups by Frieri and Wall and once by Smith the bullpen has done a passable job, especially since it wasn't really designed to hold teams completely scoreless for multiple innings per game. It was designed to be average and for most of the pitchers in the pen they have been that or better.

 

Look, there are a lot of problems the Angels are working on and most of it comes from two main players being on the DL. Keys, really to the consistent flow of the offense and to put a little more pressure on other teams, rather than a blow out here and there to pad stats then not providing more than 3 runs a game for 10 of the 24 games played. We don't have the stating staff to prevail in a lot of games where the Angels only score 3 runs or less.

 

I think you are watching a different team... or not watching at all.

[WallyWorld]

I think you are watching a different team... or not watching at all.

 

or just being a contrarian, which is his schtick.  move along, nothing to see here.

[Blarg]

Flawed logic there. Some of those runs were inherited runs that the BP gave up.

Weaver gave up all 6 runs in the first five innings. He went 5-2/3 and there was no scoring in the 6th.

Santiago gave up all of his runs in the fourth inning and pitched one out in the 5th. The Mariners did not score again until the 9th.

Wilson gave up all his runs in his completed 5 innings of work.

I would appreciate if you tried looking up the facts before making declarative statements.

[Blarg]

or just being a contrarian, which is his schtick. move along, nothing to see here.

Yeah, except that I am providing stats to refute stuff you guys make up in your heads.

BTW, Aybar is leading off tonight so... Bye.

[WallyWorld]

Yeah, except that I am providing stats to refute stuff you guys make up in your heads.

BTW, Aybar is leading off tonight so... Bye.

 

hahaha. Eric, in this very thread you claimed that the offense goes to sleep late in games, and then you were proven wrong by the actual stats.  Sounds like you were doing the very thing you're accusing others of.  I mean, despite the fact the Angels lead the league in runs scored and HRs, you are trying to claim that the offense is the problem, not the bullpen.

 

And I love that you've held on to a single comment made by a user you don't even know on a message board from literally weeks ago.

[Erstad Grit]

Weaver gave up all 6 runs in the first five innings. He went 5-2/3 and there was no scoring in the 6th.

Santiago gave up all of his runs in the fourth inning and pitched one out in the 5th. The Mariners did not score again until the 9th.

Wilson gave up all his runs in his completed 5 innings of work.

I would appreciate if you tried looking up the facts before making declarative statements.

 

Angels Bullpen has allowed 50% of inherited runners to score! Keep defending them and comparing Schuck to Carew, your insight is amazing. 

[AngelsLakersFan]

hahaha. Eric, in this very thread you claimed that the offense goes to sleep late in games, and then you were proven wrong by the actual stats.  Sounds like you were doing the very thing you're accusing others of.  I mean, despite the fact the Angels lead the league in runs scored and HRs, you are trying to claim that the offense is the problem, not the bullpen.

 

And I love that you've held on to a single comment made by a user you don't even know on a message board from literally weeks ago.

 

In a pitchers park no less.

[Blarg]

it's kind of surreal to see people defend pitching and then slam the offense for this team

even with that one game where you scored a ton of runs that skew it a bit, the halos are still 3rd in all of mlb in runs, and 2nd in slugging and ops

the Angels have three blow out offensive games that really skew a 24 game season.