The Official Los Angeles Angels 2023-2024 Hot Stove Offseason Thread

[jeskola]

1 hour ago, Stradling said:

There isn’t a single player that is the answer if there was his name is Shohei. Turner for sure is an answer. 

Are you talking about the free agent Turner that is about to turn(er) 40?

[jeskola]

55 minutes ago, Angels 1961 said:

Pederson is like 31 maybe play some 1B. 

washed up Dodgers that didnt really live up to their potential is what I meant by "old dodgers".

[jeskola]

15 minutes ago, Chuck said:

 

 

[Stradling]

2 minutes ago, jeskola said:

Are you talking about the free agent Turner that is about to turn(er) 40?

Yes. 

[Angel Oracle]

2 hours ago, Stradling said:

It’s 100% happening. As you know I’m not that guy, but this will happen. 

Thing though is that Carpenter just turned 38, and the OPS has been terrible in 3 of the past 4 seasons.

Pass

[jeskola]

1 minute ago, Stradling said:

Yes. 

no thanks? i would prefer someone not a grandpa already?

[Angel Oracle]

2 hours ago, jeskola said:

i'd prefer to think that he fixed whatever his issues were with the Dodgers in 2021-22 and is on the way to 10 great seasons....

Maybe not 10 great seasons, but could see him being really solid for the next 4-5 seasons at least.

[jsnpritchett]

22 minutes ago, totdprods said:

Yeah, it'd have to be almost a pillow one-year deal, or a criminally undervalued short-term deal. Not likely but I could see it happen with him since it's been quiet.

I'm becoming more interested in Max Kepler and Jorge Polanco in the event Minnesota needs to trim some payroll. Reminds me very much of the Renfroe and Urshela-type adds. Wouldn't be huge gets but would solidify the team's floor.

I wouldn't hate that, though the Twins would probably want a little more for those two than the Angels gave up for Renfroe and Urshela.

Edited December 18, 2023 by jsnpritchett

[Angel Oracle]

2 hours ago, jeskola said:

Why does everyone on here want us to sign old Dodgers? Turner, Pederson and Bellinger aren't really the answer.

Agreed on Pederson, and 50-50 on the 39 year-old Turner.

As solid as he’s been, at that age Turner is going to fall off any year now.  If they have to, no more than a 1 year deal.

Edited December 18, 2023 by Angel Oracle

[jeskola]

2 minutes ago, Angel Oracle said:

Agreed on the first two players

only Bellinger imo. Turner is as old as Scrooge and Pederson petered out already. The Angels aren't exactly the place where struggling athletes mystically revive their careers.

[Ron Mexico]

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2023/12/angels-reportedly-sign-tayron-guerrero-to-minor-league-deal.html

[jeskola]

4 minutes ago, Ron Mexico said:

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2023/12/angels-reportedly-sign-tayron-guerrero-to-minor-league-deal.html

[totdprods]

16 minutes ago, jsnpritchett said:

I wouldn't hate that, though the Twins would probably want a little more for those two than the Angels gave up Renfroe and Urshela.

Yeah, pitching seems to be their focus and we're a little light on depthy young pitching after the deadline.

Wonder what a Buxton as DH deal could look like, in terms of eating money to bring back value. He's got an interesting contract that the Angels could afford to take risk on much easier than the Twins.

Edited December 18, 2023 by totdprods

[jsnpritchett]

Just now, totdprods said:

Yeah, pitching seems to be their focus and we're a little light on depthy young pitching after the deadline.

Wonder what a Buxton as DH deal could look like...

Pairing Buxton with Trout and Rendon would definitely be interesting.  Over/under on total games on the IL between the three?  200?  300?

[Chuck]

9 minutes ago, jeskola said:

 

[jeskola]

1 minute ago, Chuck said:

 

sounds like if i asked ChatGPT to make up a fake Vlad Guerrero child

[Chuck]

8 minutes ago, totdprods said:

Yeah, pitching seems to be their focus and we're a little light on depthy young pitching after the deadline.

Wonder what a Buxton as DH deal could look like, in terms of eating money to bring back value. He's got an interesting contract that the Angels could afford to take risk on much easier than the Twins.

 

7 minutes ago, jsnpritchett said:

Pairing Buxton with Trout and Rendon would definitely be interesting.  Over/under on total games on the IL between the three?  200?  300?

Damn, great idea on Buxton and Kepler. 

Send them Ward or Adell, Bachman and a prospect. Shouldn't take much to get a couple guys off their payroll. 

Buxton and Trout could alternate in and out of CF and DH all season to get their legs fresh and Kepler gives us that lefthanded power bat that I've been wanting. 

But to @jsnpritchett point you're taking on some injury prone guys in that deal. 

[totdprods]

That Randy Dobnak extension Minnesota doled out is looking pretty bad too. Seems like a Braves trade waiting to happen haha

[Chuck]

 

[Angel Oracle]

5 years/$75 million remaining for someone (Buxton) who has averaged only 70 games the past five full seasons would not be the best use of that money.

Kepler would be the better idea money wise (1 year/$10 million left), plus more durable and a LHH unlike Buxton.   Kepler would be a hitting upgrade (RISP) over Renfroe, and decent enough defensively.

Allows one more season of OF depth while assessing it, and have a good mix and match of RHH and LHH OFers.

Edited December 18, 2023 by Angel Oracle

[jsnpritchett]

12 minutes ago, Chuck said:

 

Damn, great idea on Buxton and Kepler. 

Send them Ward or Adell, Bachman and a prospect. Shouldn't take much to get a couple guys off their payroll. 

Buxton and Trout could alternate in and out of CF and DH all season to get their legs fresh and Kepler gives us that lefthanded power bat that I've been wanting. 

But to @jsnpritchett point you're taking on some injury prone guys in that deal. 

 

1 minute ago, Angel Oracle said:

5 years/$75 million remaining for someone (Buxton) who has averaged only 70 games the past five full seasons would not be the best use of that money.

Kepler would be the better idea money wise (1 year/$10 million left), plus more durable and a LHH unlike Buxton.   Allows one more season of OF depth while assessing it.

Not sure I'd want to do both Buxton and Kepler.  If you're going to do a trade like that, would seem wiser to do one of those guys and then Polanco, just to provide some lineup flexibility.

[Taylor]

1 hour ago, mmc said:

 

Great, even more positions for Anthony to not play because of injury.

[Chuck]

1 minute ago, jsnpritchett said:

Not sure I'd want to do both Buxton and Kepler.  If you're going to do a trade like that, would seem wiser to do one of those guys and then Polanco, just to provide some lineup flexibility.

Good call. Actually Polanco is a switch hitter and can play 2B, SS and 3B so I'd rather they go for him and Buxton.

Buxton is a high risk/high reward type. I feel if they DH him half of the time with Trout it can keep both of them fresh. Dude had a TON of power and still despite his leg injuries can fly on the bases. Elite CF defensively.

[jsnpritchett]

7 minutes ago, totdprods said:

That Randy Dobnak extension Minnesota doled out is looking pretty bad too. Seems like a Braves trade waiting to happen haha

That was such a random extension.  The money is tiny (only about $6.5M left to cover the next two seasons plus buyouts of three option years), but he's just a guy.  Heavy groundballer in his first couple of years who can't really get anyone out on his own.  Never a top prospect.  Why bother extending a guy like him?

[totdprods]

Minnesota has a bunch of bad money for a mid-market-ish team. Correa, Buxton, Vazquez, maybe Paddack, Dobnak.

I know the Angels may be affected too, but trying to 'buy' players from these RSN Diamond-affected teams seems like a great opportunity.