Was Sam Bachman a bad #9 overall pick?

[Angel Oracle]

After 2 seasons in the org, he’s been in the DL a lot.

Wasn’t he reportedly damaged goods when drafted?

For the good things Minasian has overseen (O’Hoppe, Neto, Schanuel, Silseth, Estevez, Moore, Lopez, Drury, Moose, and Moniak), he may have dropped the ball totally on drafting Bachman 9th overall in 2021.

The one bit of good news is that he only turns 24 late next month.

[jsnpritchett]

Wasn't part of the perception that he was perhaps taken that high because he'd be a relatively cheap sign?

[Make Angels Great Again]

He's no Andrew Painter (taken a few picks after Bachman), that's for sure.

But, I like what i've seen from him out of the pen, personally. I'm hoping the health will come.

[Inside Pitch]

3 hours ago, Angel Oracle said:

After 2 seasons in the org, he’s been in the DL a lot.

Wasn’t he reportedly damaged goods when drafted?

For the good things Minasian has overseen (O’Hoppe, Neto, Schanuel, Silseth, Estevez, Moore, Lopez, Drury, Moose, and Moniak), he may have dropped the ball totally on drafting Bachman 9th overall in 2021.

The one bit of good news is that he only turns 24 late next month.

He may end up that way but at this point he's a hell of a lot better a number 9 pick than Leiter was a 2 pick.

[BTH]

In hindsight, yes of course.

House, Ford, Painter, Frelick, McLain, Montgomery, Williams, and Merrill all went after him.

 

But it's important to note that he signed for $1.1 million under slot, which allowed them to overpay others (including Silseth) later.

I'm still mad that Nevin overused him and got him hurt.

[Angel Oracle]

2 hours ago, Inside Pitch said:

He may up that way but at this point he's a hell of a lot better a number 9 pick than Leiter was a 2 pick.

This is true.

Leiter, even with the college experience, has flopped so far in the Rangers org.

154 career AA innings: 5.51 ERA and 1.53 WHIP, currently demoted to the development list.

On his way to being another Appel?

Then they apparently doubled down by taking Rocker #3 overall in 2022. He will miss this season and will miss most of 2024 due to TJS this past May.

Edited August 25, 2023 by Angel Oracle

[Angel Oracle]

45 minutes ago, Make Angels Great Again said:

He's no Andrew Painter (taken a few picks after Bachman), that's for sure.

But, I like what i've seen from him out of the pen, personally. I'm hoping the health will come.

Painter had stupid good stats in the minors at age 19, then unfortunately after trying to rehab the UCL injury underwent TJS earlier this summer, still only age 20.

[arch stanton]

Pitcher health is a crapshoot so you might as well take the ones who can pitch 

[Swordsman78]

57 minutes ago, BTH said:

In hindsight, yes of course.

House, Ford, Painter, Frelick, McLain, Montgomery, Williams, and Merrill all went after him.

 

But it's important to note that he signed for $1.1 million under slot, which allowed them to overpay others (including Silseth) later.

I'm still mad that Nevin overused him and got him hurt.

Yes - God forbid Nevin would put such a high draft choice on the field.   Everyone knows that putting a guy on the field to play drastically increases the chance of injury.  smh.

Rookie move for sure.

[ArkyAngelsFan]

1 hour ago, BTH said:

 

I'm still mad that Nevin overused him and got him hurt.

What makes you think Nevin overused him? Seems to me he was pitching on a limited schedule compared to other relievers.

~ArkyAngelsFan~

[BTH]

3 minutes ago, ArkyAngelsFan said:

What makes you think Nevin overused him? Seems to me he was pitching on a limited schedule compared to other relievers.

~ArkyAngelsFan~

Bachman threw 34 pitches on 7/1, then threw 44 pitches on 7/3.

That was only his second time pitching with only 1 days rest between appearances. And the last time he did that, he threw 26 and 16 pitches respectively.

[mmc]

Impossible to make that determination 2 years later.  Look how long it was before Taylor Ward showed to be worthy of his first round selection

[Angel Oracle]

3 minutes ago, mmc said:

Impossible to make that determination 2 years later.  Look how long it was before Taylor Ward showed to be worthy of his first round selection

Another good point 

Ward was able to stay healthy though throughout his minors career.

Edited August 25, 2023 by Angel Oracle

[Swordsman78]

8 minutes ago, BTH said:

Bachman threw 34 pitches on 7/1, then threw 44 pitches on 7/3.

That was only his second time pitching with only 1 days rest between appearances. And the last time he did that, he threw 26 and 16 pitches respectively.

FYI - starting pitchers throw 30-50 pitch bull pen session between starts where they threw 100 pitches.

I'll let you slide since you prolly just didn't know.

[BTH]

6 minutes ago, Swordsman78 said:

FYI - starting pitchers throw 30-50 pitch bull pen session between starts where they threw 100 pitches.

I'll let you slide since you prolly just didn't know.

Yeah, cause side sessions between starts are the same thing as warming up in the bullpen, throwing warmup pitches on the mound, throwing an inning, sitting down, going back out, throwing more warmup pitches, and throwing a second inning.

[Swordsman78]

7 minutes ago, BTH said:

Yeah, cause side sessions between starts are the same thing as warming up in the bullpen, throwing warmup pitches on the mound, throwing an inning, sitting down, going back out, throwing more warmup pitches, and throwing a second inning.

Dude only threw 150 game pitches in 17 days.  

Hardly qualifies as being over used.  

Local public High school kids throw more that that.

[BTH]

2 minutes ago, Swordsman78 said:

Dude only threw 150 game pitches in 17 days.  

Hardly qualifies as being over used.  

Local public High school kids throw more that that.

Bachman has had injury issues and has to be managed more carefully.

Kinda weird to compare him to a teenager.

[Swordsman78]

10 minutes ago, BTH said:

Bachman has had injury issues and has to be managed more carefully.

Kinda weird to compare him to a teenager.

And you are comparing him to a baby.

[Inside Pitch]

2 hours ago, Angel Oracle said:

This is true.

Leiter, even with the college experience, has flopped so far in the Rangers org.

154 career AA innings: 5.51 ERA and 1.53 WHIP, currently demoted to the development list.

On his way to being another Appel?

Then they apparently doubled down by taking Rocker #3 overall in 2022. He will miss this season and will miss most of 2024 due to TJS this past May.

His stuff has all regressed, massively so.  His final year at Vandy he was sitting 97, routinely touching 99 and worked in the upper zone for his Ks.  He's been solidly 93-94 and at times touched 96-97, but can't seem to control hit FB at all when he does crank it up.  

There are a lot of ppl that think his stuff is getting even worse. Early onset Weaveritis, it seems.

[jsnpritchett]

Just now, Inside Pitch said:

 

There are a lot of ppl that think his stiff is getting even worse. Early onset Weaveritis, it seems.

[Inside Pitch]

Was already fixing it..... 

[Second Base]

Every year, fans of every team will ask this question and use the success of players selected after that pick as evidence of failure. 

Sam Bachman was a calculated gamble by Minasian. He had a big up arrow next to his name entering the draft and hardly anyone had the chance to see him because of flu-vid. But what they did see was undeniable. Upper 90's fastball, good slider, foundations of a good change piece, muscular build and a heavy ball, that generates lots of weak ground balls. 

But the downside... Lots of nagging injuries, shorter stature and short arm slot, not much extension. Not the recipe of a workhorse. Probability of being a reliever was high. 

The gamble wasn't bad because if it paid off you've clearly got yourself a front of the rotation starter and if it didn't, he appeared at the very least to be a pretty solid reliever. The pick is a lot like Neto and Schanuel. Small school prospect, short trip through the minors. Higher floor of being a non-impactful major leaguer, and the ceiling of an all-star. 

It's kind of Perry's "M.O." at this point.

Now you can argue, as I have, that the direction of the Angels is flawed and subsequently their draft strategy should be different. But what isn't up for debate, is that Perry's current draft strategy is a PERFECT fit for the current direction of the organization, which is to win now and get as many prospects promoted as quickly as possible. 

So in that sense, no. Bachman isn't a bad #9 pick. 

[Angel Oracle]

19 hours ago, Second Base said:

Every year, fans of every team will ask this question and use the success of players selected after that pick as evidence of failure. 

Sam Bachman was a calculated gamble by Minasian. He had a big up arrow next to his name entering the draft and hardly anyone had the chance to see him because of flu-vid. But what they did see was undeniable. Upper 90's fastball, good slider, foundations of a good change piece, muscular build and a heavy ball, that generates lots of weak ground balls. 

But the downside... Lots of nagging injuries, shorter stature and short arm slot, not much extension. Not the recipe of a workhorse. Probability of being a reliever was high. 

The gamble wasn't bad because if it paid off you've clearly got yourself a front of the rotation starter and if it didn't, he appeared at the very least to be a pretty solid reliever. The pick is a lot like Neto and Schanuel. Small school prospect, short trip through the minors. Higher floor of being a non-impactful major leaguer, and the ceiling of an all-star. 

It's kind of Perry's "M.O." at this point.

Now you can argue, as I have, that the direction of the Angels is flawed and subsequently their draft strategy should be different. But what isn't up for debate, is that Perry's current draft strategy is a PERFECT fit for the current direction of the organization, which is to win now and get as many prospects promoted as quickly as possible. 

So in that sense, no. Bachman isn't a bad #9 pick. 

It is a good strategy, if their foreign scouting is solid to supplement it.

We are starting to see that with Soriano, Quero, Rada, and Castillo especially.

[UndertheHalo]

On 8/26/2023 at 12:18 PM, Angel Oracle said:

It is a good strategy, if their foreign scouting is solid to supplement it.

We are starting to see that with Soriano, Quero, Rada, and Castillo especially.

Are we? 

[Angel Oracle]

4 hours ago, UndertheHalo said:

Are we? 

Hence why I only said started.

Much work still to be done.