Trumped

[Amazing Larry]

5 minutes ago, st1ckboy said:

So you don't believe Russia has, and is continuing to interfere with our elections? 

Of course they do. We pull the exact same shit. In fact we probably mess with their elections 10x more. 
 

I truly find it funny that dems think this “Russian interference” tactic will change minds and win elections. From what I’ve seen so far it will be a landslide in November. 

[angelinkc]

2 minutes ago, st1ckboy said:

They had a deal early on for wall funding, for not amnesty, but "dreamer" protection. Trump walked away from it. 

That may be true but they were beating the Russia drum on election night. Feel like they would have been more successful playing nice. 

[St1ck]

1 minute ago, Lhalo said:

Of course they do. We pull the exact same shit. In fact we probably mess with their elections 10x more. 
 

I truly find it funny that dems think this “Russian interference” tactic will change minds and win elections. From what I’ve seen so far it will be a landslide in November. 

Just want to make sure we are clear here. You have no problem with Russians hacking our voting systems? Correct?

[Blarg]

4 minutes ago, st1ckboy said:

They had a deal early on for wall funding, for not amnesty, but "dreamer" protection. Trump walked away from it. 

Nice spin job, you should be a politician. Basically the Democrats said they would negotiate wall funding to extended DACA. Trump did the one thing they didn't expect, showed backbone. They've been pissed about that ever since. 

[St1ck]

1 minute ago, angelinkc said:

That may be true but they were beating the Russia drum on election night. Feel like they would have been more successful playing nice. 

Is that why he walked away from the deal? 

[Blarg]

2 minutes ago, st1ckboy said:

Just want to make sure we are clear here. You have no problem with Russians hacking our voting systems? Correct?

Where is it Russia sucessfully hacked a voting system in the US? 

[Amazing Larry]

1 minute ago, st1ckboy said:

Just want to make sure we are clear here. You have no problem with Russians hacking our voting systems? Correct?

Of course I have a problem with it. It’s espionage. Every country does it to every other country. Just because Russia does it to us doesn’t make them special. The dems obsession with them twists their minds. I feel like I’m watching a classic comic tragedy. 

[St1ck]

2 minutes ago, Blarg said:

Where is it Russia sucessfully hacked a voting system in the US? 

I already posted it earlier.

Russian Hackers Broke Into Election Systems In 2 Florida Counties In 2016 : NPR
https://www.npr.org/2019/05/14/723215498/florida-governor-says-russian-hackers-breached-two-florida-counties-in-2016

[UndertheHalo]

38 minutes ago, st1ckboy said:

I didn't mention the 2016 election. So you're good with Russia interfering with our elections because pointing it out doesn't seem like a political needle mover?

Any election.  When has a hacking incident changed an election ? I’ve seen Americans fuck with elections to the point that results have to be invalidated.  I’m far more concerned with Americans who fuck with electoral results then Russians.  Sorry. 
 

and you did link to the 2016 election. 

Edited February 21, 2020 by UndertheHalo

[Amazing Larry]

By “hacking our voting systems” I don’t mean they actually changed official votes. I’m talking about influencing elections by social media and other means. 

[St1ck]

2 minutes ago, Lhalo said:

Of course I have a problem with it. It’s espionage. Every country does it to every other country. Just because Russia does it to us doesn’t make them special. The dems obsession with them twists their minds. I feel like I’m watching a classic comic tragedy. 

You say you have a problem with it, and then immediately in your next sentence dismiss it.

[tdawg87]

Just so we're super duper ultra clear here, not that you knobs even give a shit, it was the intelligence committee that reported this most recent Russia thing. You know, the people whose jobs it literally is to find out these kinds of things.

Deep state!

[angelinkc]

So he walked away from one deal after being smeared with lies. It often takes more than one attempt to get a deal done. The Russia shit started before the final votes were counted. If he was in bed with Russians we would have known by now. Obama had him wire tapped for most of the election year.

[angelinkc]

Just now, tdawg87 said:

Just so we're super duper ultra clear here, not that you knobs even give a shit, it was the intelligence committee that reported this most recent Russia thing. You know, the people whose jobs it literally is to find out these kinds of things.

Deep state!

You are right. They also use the Clinton fabricated golden pee pee report as fact to support their FISA request.

[tdawg87]

Just now, angelinkc said:

You are right. They also use the Clinton fabricated golden pee pee report as fact to support their FISA request.

What in the actual sweet fucking poop are you talking about?

[Amazing Larry]

3 minutes ago, st1ckboy said:

You say you have a problem with it, and then immediately in your next sentence dismiss it.

I have a problem with it but I’m not surprised by it or think it’s something different with Trump in office. This shit has been happening since the October revolution. Who is living in the White House matters not. 

[angelinkc]

3 minutes ago, tdawg87 said:

What in the actual sweet fucking poop are you talking about?

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5014459/Hillary-Clinton-s-campaign-paid-dirty-dossier-Trump.html

 

There is plenty out there, Basically our FBI and DOJ took a report hey knew was false and ran with it. 

[St1ck]

7 minutes ago, UndertheHalo said:

Any election.  When has a hacking incident changed an election ? I’ve seen Americans fuck with elections to the point that results have to be invalidated.  I’m far more concerned with Americans who fuck with electoral results then Russians.  Sorry. 
 

and you did link to the 2016 election. 

My apologies, I thought it was the 2018 midterms they hacked into. Didn't realize they said 2016.

[UndertheHalo]

1 minute ago, st1ckboy said:

My apologies, I thought it was the 2018 midterms they hacked into. Didn't realize they said 2016.

No need to apologize.  But like I said.  If there’s an issue with American election fuckey it’s Americans who are doing it. 

[Amazing Larry]

What’s really hilarious is that dems cry about Putin and Russia nonstop so they counter it by backing Bernie fucking communist Sanders. You guys have truly lost your shit. All I can do is sit back and laugh at it. The democratic convention is going to be entertaining to say the least. 

[UndertheHalo]

48 minutes ago, angelinkc said:

Glad to see someone say this about the election. I am sure we disagree on politics but it is better to debate ideas than to continue to push false criminal narratives to achieve ideas. I believe had the Dems played nice with Trump they could have moved him to left on many issues. He is not a hard core conservative by nature. I believe the constant lies and attacks have push him towards the right and made him a martyr to his base. A little bit of wall would have  achieved an amnesty deal early on. 

I think the bit about working with Trump is interesting.  There might be some truth to it in a vacuum.  Trump is part of a conservative machine however.  I don’t think that any real opportunity to bridge the divide was ever possible for him.  Even if the Democrats offered it, even if he was willing to stick his neck out.  

[UndertheHalo]

20 minutes ago, Lhalo said:

What’s really hilarious is that dems cry about Putin and Russia nonstop so they counter it by backing Bernie fucking communist Sanders. You guys have truly lost your shit. All I can do is sit back and laugh at it. The democratic convention is going to be entertaining to say the least. 

I don’t think I’ve done much to make hay about the Russia stuff.  In fact, I’m usually agreeing with you and the other cons here about it.  My last 4 or 5 posts on the topic have said that it’s pointless explicitly.  And it almost mirrored what you said about interference.  We agree on this. 
 

Sanders isn’t a communist any more then FDR was.  Eisenhower would probably be pretty close with the rubric you’re using.  

Edited February 21, 2020 by UndertheHalo

[Amazing Larry]

Good luck with your convention dems. Once the super delegates decide who you can really vote for let me know what you decide. 

[tdawg87]

6 minutes ago, Lhalo said:

What’s really hilarious is that dems cry about Putin and Russia nonstop so they counter it by backing Bernie fucking communist Sanders. You guys have truly lost your shit. All I can do is sit back and laugh at it. The democratic convention is going to be entertaining to say the least. 

Remember when I said most cons didn't have a clue what "Socialism" was?

That was neat.

[St1ck]

31 minutes ago, Blarg said:

Basically the Democrats said they would negotiate wall funding to extended DACA. 

Yes, that's what I said.