Teams with the most come from ahead losses

[gurn67]

These are the teams that at one point in a game had a lead, but didn't end up winning the game.

Most losses:

1. Colorado 50

2. White Sox 48

3. Kansas City 46

4. Angels 42 (33 in 2022)

5. Oakland 41

Least losses:

1. Baltimore 24

1. Yankees 24

1. Detroit 24

4. Philadelphia 25

5. Houston 26

[Angel Oracle]

Hitters don’t produce against other teams’ pens.

The Halos need 3 reliable relievers including a closer.

[gurn67]

1 hour ago, Angel Oracle said:

Hitters don’t produce against other teams’ pens.

The Halos need 3 reliable relievers including a closer.

The offense as a whole had the worst batting average in MLB when ahead in games at .224. The Yankees were 29th at .234. They were 28th in OPS. The starters could not hold early leads. They definitely did not have a strong enough bullpen. However, the offense could not manufacture insurance runs. Good teams do can do those things. 

8 of the top 10 teams in OPS when ahead in games made the post season. The other 2 were the Cubs, who just missed out on the post season, and the Red Sox.

[Tank]

On 10/5/2023 at 7:11 AM, Angel Oracle said:

Hitters don’t produce against other teams’ pens.

The Halos need 3 reliable relievers including a closer.

you need a new profile picture, dude.

[Hubs]

Come from ahead losses has a little bit to do with the offense, and a lot to do with our bullpen being overworked and mismanaged.

A+ Matrix there, Perry and Alex. 

[Angel Oracle]

11 minutes ago, Hubs said:

Come from ahead losses has a little bit to do with the offense, and a lot to do with our bullpen being overworked and mismanaged.

A+ Matrix there, Perry and Alex. 

I have to wonder if Tamin was responsible for setting up the matrix, and that is why he is no longer in the FO?

[Hubs]

1 hour ago, Angel Oracle said:

I have to wonder if Tamin was responsible for setting up the matrix, and that is why he is no longer in the FO?

It’s what Maddon claimed.

[BTH]

2 hours ago, Hubs said:

Come from ahead losses has a little bit to do with the offense, and a lot to do with our bullpen being overworked and mismanaged.

A+ Matrix there, Perry and Alex. 

You do realize that the matrix was just about which relievers were available each day, right?

Literally every team pays attention to that. it's not much different from any of us looking at Roster Resource to see the recent usage.

 

Tamin's matrix wasn't telling Maddon to put Aaron Loup into the 7th inning with 2 runners on and 1 out or any random situation like that.

[Hubs]

14 hours ago, BTH said:

You do realize that the matrix was just about which relievers were available each day, right?

Literally every team pays attention to that. it's not much different from any of us looking at Roster Resource to see the recent usage.

 

Tamin's matrix wasn't telling Maddon to put Aaron Loup into the 7th inning with 2 runners on and 1 out or any random situation like that.

Which relievers should be used and when, not just which ones weren't available. It made zero sense and was a bad use of analytics as evidenced solely by the results. Not all analytics are good.

1) Didn't prevent injury to relievers

2) Didn't protect leads

The Angels also had one of the most expensive bullpens in the league. It was an utter failure and Nevin and Tamin paid the price, instead of Minasian as Moreno is cheap with his front office hires.

 

[BTH]

51 minutes ago, Hubs said:

Which relievers should be used and when, not just which ones weren't available.

How do you know the matrix said ”which reliever should be used”?

From everything I’ve read, the matrix never said that.

If you have proof, please share.

[Hubs]

4 hours ago, BTH said:

How do you know the matrix said ”which reliever should be used”?

From everything I’ve read, the matrix never said that.

If you have proof, please share.

It is strongly inferred in Maddon's book that they gave him very limited BP choices and pitch counts / inning limits for the starters. 

[BTH]

1 hour ago, Hubs said:

It is strongly inferred in Maddon's book that they gave him very limited BP choices and pitch counts / inning limits for the starters. 

So you don’t have proof, nice.

No one said that the matrix said “which reliever should be used.”

In his book, Maddon was just complaining that the matrix impacted who was available and that his reaction to it affected how he managed.

It never said “the matrix said to not let Reliever X throw 30+ pitches,” or “the matrix said to use Reliever Y in Situation Z,” or anything along those lines.

Nevin letting guys like Bachman and Wantz throw 40+ pitches or Canning throw 120 pitches in an outing shows that no pitch counts were ordered by the front office or matrix.

[Taylor]

I love learning about new ways to show the Angels suck.

[ELEVEN]

18 hours ago, Taylor said:

I love learning about new ways to show the Angels suck.

You're gonna dig 2024!

[Swordsman78]

20 hours ago, BTH said:

So you don’t have proof, nice.

No one said that the matrix said “which reliever should be used.”

In his book, Maddon was just complaining that the matrix impacted who was available and that his reaction to it affected how he managed.

It never said “the matrix said to not let Reliever X throw 30+ pitches,” or “the matrix said to use Reliever Y in Situation Z,” or anything along those lines.

Nevin letting guys like Bachman and Wantz throw 40+ pitches or Canning throw 120 pitches in an outing shows that no pitch counts were ordered by the front office or matrix.

Your post infers "unlimited assets" available in the BP on any given night, and an off game every other day. 

[BTH]

2 minutes ago, Swordsman78 said:

Your post infers "unlimited assets" available in the BP on any given night, and an off game every other day. 

No team has that.

[Swordsman78]

2 hours ago, BTH said:

No team has that.

Thanks.   So please reconsider posting your cringe criticisms  on managers use of the BP when you don't have any idea of the constraints and other variables.

Unless of course you enjoy posting ignorant takes.   If so, have at it.

Edited October 20, 2023 by Swordsman78

[Stradling]

1 hour ago, Swordsman78 said:

Thanks.   So please reconsider posting your cringe criticisms managers use of the BP when you don't have any idea of the constraints and other variables.

Unless of course you enjoy posting ignorant takes.   If so, have at it.

Haha.  Well we should value this feedback, you are definitely the expert on posting ignorant takes.  

[Swordsman78]

10 minutes ago, Stradling said:

Haha.  Well we should value this feedback, you are definitely the expert on posting ignorant takes.  

Only the sheer stupidity of the Angel front office kept my takes from coming to fruition. 

Who knows....if Arte puts someone in over Perry I may be back in biz.

[Stradling]

3 minutes ago, Swordsman78 said:

Only the sheer stupidity of the Angel front office kept my takes from coming to fruition. 

Who knows....if Arte puts someone in over Perry I may be back in biz.

So you are arrogant?  Or ignorant?  Or both? 

[Blarg]

1 hour ago, Swordsman78 said:

Only the sheer stupidity of the Angel front office kept my takes from coming to fruition. 

Who knows....if Arte puts someone in over Perry I may be back in biz.

So you are Phil Nevin.