Mark Melancon?

[Mark68]

Padres Announce Several Option Decisions - MLB Trade Rumors

 

He declined a $5 MM player option. Would be a decent setup piece (if we re-sign Iglesias).

[tdawg87]

If he declined the option then he is likely looking for more.

If he's still available in February I'd absolutely take him but not for more than 5 million. I don't think spending a ton on the bullpen this offseason will be wise. We could get a couple of depth guys for the same amount.

[Angels 1961]

He wants to close.

[floplag]

2 hours ago, tdawg87 said:

I I don't think spending a ton on the bullpen this offseason will be wise. We could get a couple of depth guys for the same amount.

Legit could not disagree with this more...
For me this is the top priority.
Even IF we get an ace well still have a group of young arms in the rotation, shortening games will be critical to success.
Have we learned nothing these last few years of clean peanut shopping?

[tdawg87]

Just now, floplag said:

Legit could not disagree with this more...
For me this is the top priority.
Even IF we get an ace well still have a group of young arms in the rotation, shortening games will be critical to success.
Have we learned nothing these last few years of clean peanut shopping?

You aren't guaranteed a good bullpen by spending. 

[UndertheHalo]

The angels won’t have a good bullpen until they get substantially better at scouting and utilizing the nerd shit. 

[Mark68]

35 minutes ago, UndertheHalo said:

The angels won’t have a good bullpen until they get substantially better at scouting and utilizing the nerd shit. 

[floplag]

22 hours ago, tdawg87 said:

You aren't guaranteed a good bullpen by spending. 

you aren't guaranteed a rotation either.. spending guarantees nothing in any area.
The pen is simply a better investment in my view. 

And i might add a lot less risk.
 

[tdawg87]

8 minutes ago, floplag said:

you aren't guaranteed a rotation either.. spending guarantees nothing in any area.
The pen is simply a better investment in my view. 

And i might add a lot less risk.
 

I mean we can say spending money on anyone is risky. Which is 100% true. 

The reason I don't want to spend on the bullpen is because relievers are so incredibly fickle. Look at what Hansel Robles did in 2019, then compare that to the rest of his career. They paid him 1.4 million that year to be one of the best relievers in baseball. Then he was horrid the next year.

The only guy I want to spend on is Iglesias because we can't compete without a lockdown closer. Will he suck in 3 years? Probably. 

I agree the bullpen is extremely important, but we need depth, not expensive names.

[floplag]

4 hours ago, tdawg87 said:

I mean we can say spending money on anyone is risky. Which is 100% true. 

The reason I don't want to spend on the bullpen is because relievers are so incredibly fickle. Look at what Hansel Robles did in 2019, then compare that to the rest of his career. They paid him 1.4 million that year to be one of the best relievers in baseball. Then he was horrid the next year.

The only guy I want to spend on is Iglesias because we can't compete without a lockdown closer. Will he suck in 3 years? Probably. 

I agree the bullpen is extremely important, but we need depth, not expensive names.

Our relievers have been fickle. not all relievers are.
WE have done bullpen by cast off for so many years now i dont think we as Angel fans really know what a good bullpen is or how important they are at this point. 
I know what weve done hasnt worked, i know the game is changing moving away from rotation and to the pen, its time we evolve. 

[HanfordGuy]

On 11/5/2021 at 2:32 PM, Angels 1961 said:

He wants to close.

He wants closer $$$.

[Stradling]

6 hours ago, floplag said:

you aren't guaranteed a rotation either.. spending guarantees nothing in any area.
The pen is simply a better investment in my view. 

And i might add a lot less risk.
 

Except bullpens are much less of a sure thing when spending money. 

[tdawg87]

1 hour ago, floplag said:

Our relievers have been fickle. not all relievers are.
WE have done bullpen by cast off for so many years now i dont think we as Angel fans really know what a good bullpen is or how important they are at this point. 
I know what weve done hasnt worked, i know the game is changing moving away from rotation and to the pen, its time we evolve. 

The Giants had the best bullpen in baseball by ERA in 2021. The total payroll of that bullpen? $9 million.

The Rays had the 3rd best bullpen by ERA in 2021. $16 million. That may seem high until you realize that's for 20 pitchers.

The Marlins and Mariners spent fuck all on their bullpen and were both top 10.

Cleveland's highest paid reliever was making $2.5 million. 6th in ERA.

Spending is not the answer. Scouting is.

[Angel Oracle]

6 hours ago, tdawg87 said:

The Giants had the best bullpen in baseball by ERA in 2021. The total payroll of that bullpen? $9 million.

The Rays had the 3rd best bullpen by ERA in 2021. $16 million. That may seem high until you realize that's for 20 pitchers.

The Marlins and Mariners spent fuck all on their bullpen and were both top 10.

Cleveland's highest paid reliever was making $2.5 million. 6th in ERA.

Spending is not the answer. Scouting is.

With more than 8 scouts 

[Stradling]

8 scouts is the new yacht fuel.  

[tdawg87]

1 hour ago, Stradling said:

8 scouts is the new yacht fuel.  

But it's true.

[Angels 1961]

On 11/5/2021 at 3:29 PM, tdawg87 said:

You aren't guaranteed a good bullpen by spending. 

Same as starters

[Stradling]

49 minutes ago, tdawg87 said:

But it's true.

Doubtful

[tdawg87]

18 minutes ago, Angels 1961 said:

Same as starters

For crying out loud

[floplag]

11 hours ago, tdawg87 said:

The Giants had the best bullpen in baseball by ERA in 2021. The total payroll of that bullpen? $9 million.

The Rays had the 3rd best bullpen by ERA in 2021. $16 million. That may seem high until you realize that's for 20 pitchers.

The Marlins and Mariners spent fuck all on their bullpen and were both top 10.

Cleveland's highest paid reliever was making $2.5 million. 6th in ERA.

Spending is not the answer. Scouting is.

I agree, BUT, thats not an option for a 1 year window is it.
We have to build a pen for the 22 season, not the next 10 years.
For this next 12 months, what other options do we have?

[floplag]

12 hours ago, Stradling said:

Except bullpens are much less of a sure thing when spending money. 

Nothing is a sure thing when spending, but why is a reliever any more or less sure than a starter?
Do we not have statistical history and projections on both?  Is the decision process any different?
The only difference is that an élite reliever costs about 1/3 an elite starter, whats the bigger risk?

[AngelStew43]

If we can't keep Iglesias, the only reliever that I am even remotely interested in is Knebel.  Our young guys showed enough potential last year that I think we can put together a decent pen with minimal outlay. 

[tdawg87]

55 minutes ago, floplag said:

I agree, BUT, thats not an option for a 1 year window is it.
We have to build a pen for the 22 season, not the next 10 years.
For this next 12 months, what other options do we have?

I think that's a fair opinion.

[Stradling]

1 hour ago, floplag said:

Nothing is a sure thing when spending, but why is a reliever any more or less sure than a starter?
Do we not have statistical history and projections on both?  Is the decision process any different?
The only difference is that an élite reliever costs about 1/3 an elite starter, whats the bigger risk?

Yes we have historical data. 

[Slegnaac]

Has closer by committee ever been successful for this club?

Any club?