Trade for Randy Arozanera

[MPohleece]

Yes, pitching is priority 1-3, but he’a a pretty safe bet. What’ll it take to trade for him? Maybe other than Silseth, Detmers, Ohop, Neto, Schanuel, let them name the player(s)

[greginpsca]

1 minute ago, MPohleece said:

Yes, pitching is priority 1-3, but he’a a pretty safe bet. What’ll it take to trade for him? Maybe other than Silseth, Detmers, Ohop, Neto, Schanuel, let them name the player(s)

Probably , Joyce,Daniel, Dana and Kent.

[Angels 1961]

He would be nice middle of order bat.

[Chuck]

Sandoval, Ward, Rengifo and Suarez or SUM YUNG GUI for Arozarena and Glasnow

[Angelsjunky]

Let's compare two players, 2021-23:

Player A: 445 games, .264/.349/.443, 126 wRC+, 3.4 per 150 games

Player B: 297 games, .265/.346/.449, 121 wRC+, 3.1 WAR per 150 games

They're virtually identical, with Player A being a fraction better. Neither are true stars, but good, above average regulars.

The players are Arozarena and Ward, respectively.

[totdprods]

16 minutes ago, Chuck said:

Sandoval, Ward, Rengifo and Suarez or SUM YUNG GUI for Arozarena and Glasnow

Too many arb guys, that’s who they’re trying to move. Silseth seems like a guy they’d make into a Cy candidate.

[Angel Oracle]

17 minutes ago, Angelsjunky said:

Let's compare two players, 2021-23:

Player A: 445 games, .264/.349/.443, 126 wRC+, 3.4 per 150 games

Player B: 297 games, .265/.346/.449, 121 wRC+, 3.1 WAR per 150 games

They're virtually identical, with Player A being a fraction better. Neither are true stars, but good, above average regulars.

The players are Arozarena and Ward, respectively.

Thank you!

After looking at Arozerena’s numbers, I just don’t get all the hub bub around him.

Glasnow, despite the low hits and high Ks, has rarely been healthy for a season.  
Doesn’t seem like someone to take a risk on?

[totdprods]

15 hours ago, Angel Oracle said:

Thank you!

After looking at Arozerena’s numbers, I just don’t get all the hub bub around him.

Glasnow, despite the low hits and high Ks, has rarely been healthy for a season.  
Doesn’t seem like someone to take a risk on?

There are some metrics that hint there’s another level to be reached there.

Another Ward wouldn’t be a bad thing. He is a bit overrated though.

Edited December 3, 2023 by totdprods

[Taylor]

13 hours ago, Chuck said:

Sandoval, Ward, Rengifo and Suarez or SUM YUNG GUI for Arozarena and Glasnow

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[ELEVEN]

On 12/2/2023 at 6:26 PM, Chuck said:

Sandoval, Ward, Rengifo and Suarez or SUM YUNG GUI for Arozarena and Glasnow

Sandoval has ace potential and a competent pitching coach should bring it out of him.

No way I'd involve him in any trade.

[totdprods]

4 minutes ago, ELEVEN said:

Sandoval has ace potential and a competent pitching coach should bring it out of him.

No way I'd involve him in any trade.

He's had like three pitching coaches here already, and while I'm excited about Enright, not sure how many pitching coaches it's gonna take. 

He has pretty considerable trade value right now. No qualms keeping him, but cashing in that value in the right trade, and in the right offseason context (consider this and next winter's pitching-rich FA crops) I still think it'd be better for the Angels to shop him or cash in that value.

[Pancake Bear]

On 12/2/2023 at 6:42 PM, Angelsjunky said:

Let's compare two players, 2021-23:

Player A: 445 games, .264/.349/.443, 126 wRC+, 3.4 per 150 games

Player B: 297 games, .265/.346/.449, 121 wRC+, 3.1 WAR per 150 games

They're virtually identical, with Player A being a fraction better. Neither are true stars, but good, above average regulars.

The players are Arozarena and Ward, respectively.

Worth pointing out, though, that Ward's is based on a really good 2022, followed by a barely above league average 2023 which concluded with a significant injury. Before 2022, Ward was that same slightly-better-than-league-average player or worse. Arozarena had an amazing 2020 (only 23 games, though) followed by 3 full of seasons of a consistent 125ish wRC+. Ward *could* be around there, but calling Arozarena a fraction better feels extremely generous to Ward until he proves he can rebound to that level. 

[Angelsjunky]

6 minutes ago, Pancake Bear said:

Worth pointing out, though, that Ward's is based on a really good 2022, followed by a barely above league average 2023 which concluded with a significant injury. Before 2022, Ward was that same slightly-better-than-league-average player or worse. Arozarena had an amazing 2020 (only 23 games, though) followed by 3 full of seasons of a consistent 125ish wRC+. Ward *could* be around there, but calling Arozarena a fraction better feels extremely generous to Ward until he proves he can rebound to that level. 

Yeah, I hear you. I guess I'm more bullish on Ward's upside with the bat. He struggled early on in 2023, but then found his groove and was mashing for the last couple months or so. Meaning, it depends upon who you think the "real" Ward is. I think we haven't really seen a consistent season from him, due to injuries. And that might be the problem: like Trout, he seems prone to them. But if he manages a healthy season, I see a 140-150 wRC+.

[SlappyUtilityMIF]

It's all about consistency for the Hitters and our Pitching staff.

This has been going on for a few years as well. 

[79CAAman]

Arozarena plays with a boyish enthusiasm that would help this team, help them play more relaxed and maybe even have fun out there. I think this team plays too uptight with the stress of having to make the playoffs. I would love adding Arozarena to this roster. 

[T.G.]

Boyish enthusiasm... the key to winning. Who knew?

[79CAAman]

My man… yeah, in my God given opinion, this would be something that could only help the effed up mentality, culture of this worst-in-sports franchise. Everything else has been tried.  Yeah, the TB Rays could teach our Angels a whole lot about winning. 

[Stradling]

Haha