Cubs to hire Counsell

[Hubs]

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2023/11/cubs-to-hire-craig-counsell.html

 

I'm a little worried about the Cubs getting Ohtani.

[Ron Mexico]

7 minutes ago, Hubs said:

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2023/11/cubs-to-hire-craig-counsell.html

 

I'm a little worried about the Cubs getting Ohtani.

Better them than the Dodgers 

[Dtwncbad]

Jon Heyman says David Ross is now being mentioned as a candidate for the Angels (It was a couple of hours since his last “scoop”)

[jsnpritchett]

Seems crazy to pay a manager $8M.  Seemed like the Cubs were already moving in the right direction, so not sure something like this was necessary, but, hey, what do I know?

[Erstad Grit]

22 minutes ago, jsnpritchett said:

Seems crazy to pay a manager $8M.  Seemed like the Cubs were already moving in the right direction, so not sure something like this was necessary, but, hey, what do I know?

If a win essentially costs about 8 million, I'd be easily convinced Counsell can add 2 wins to most MLB teams. 

[jsnpritchett]

1 minute ago, Erstad Grit said:

If a win essentially costs about 8 million, I'd be easily convinced Counsell can add 2 wins to most MLB teams. 

Honestly, I think that whole "1 WAR is worth $8M" bit is a bunch of garbage--and I definitely don't think you can make that leap to managers.  What exactly does Counsell do that makes you think he'll be a better manager than what they already had? 

[Jay]

11 minutes ago, jsnpritchett said:

Honestly, I think that whole "1 WAR is worth $8M" bit is a bunch of garbage--and I definitely don't think you can make that leap to managers.  What exactly does Counsell do that makes you think he'll be a better manager than what they already had? 

Without getting too analytical about it obviously the Cubs are serious about winning and are putting their money where their mouth is.

[AngelStew43]

David Ross didn’t see that one coming.

[The Ghost of Bob Starr]

If manager is important to Shohei, let him pick and sign him.  Counsell good but not worth 8 mil a year. 

[Erstad Grit]

21 minutes ago, jsnpritchett said:

Honestly, I think that whole "1 WAR is worth $8M" bit is a bunch of garbage--and I definitely don't think you can make that leap to managers.  What exactly does Counsell do that makes you think he'll be a better manager than what they already had? 

I know I watched Nevin make decisions which cost us wins. You really don't think if we had the exact same team last year, but with Counsell, we would not have had a few more wins? 

[Hubs]

8 minutes ago, Erstad Grit said:

I know I watched Nevin make decisions which cost us wins. You really don't think if we had the exact same team last year, but with Counsell, we would not have had a few more wins? 

We might have had a winning record with Counsell. Yes I'm serious. 

[Stradling]

23 minutes ago, Hubs said:

We might have had a winning record with Counsell. Yes I'm serious. 

Haha. No chance. Zero.

[Hubs]

1 minute ago, Stradling said:

Haha. No chance. Zero.

Agree to disagree.

 

[Hubs]

Nevin was one of the worst managers I've ever seen. 

The results speak for themselves.

[Swordsman78]

35 minutes ago, Erstad Grit said:

I know I watched Nevin make decisions which cost us wins. You really don't think if we had the exact same team last year, but with Counsell, we would not have had a few more wins? 

 

Arte isn't paying anyone $8 mil to finish 2 less games back from the Rangers.

Arte probably isn't going to pay a premium for anyone, which may be why the halos are still orphans.

[Stradling]

Arte paid three managers in 2022.  He’s gone cheap on one manager, Nevin. He gave out the longest and largest contract in history for a manager. 

[DMVol]

14 minutes ago, Stradling said:

Arte paid three managers in 2022.  He’s gone cheap on one manager, Nevin. He gave out the longest and largest contract in history for a manager. 

Maddon and Nevin for sure but If Ausmus singed a 3 year deal in the 18/19 offseason, wouldn't he have been off the books after 2021?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brad_Ausmus

[Erstad Grit]

23 minutes ago, Swordsman78 said:

 

Arte isn't paying anyone $8 mil to finish 2 less games back from the Rangers.

Arte probably isn't going to pay a premium for anyone, which may be why the halos are still orphans.

You're changing the topic and avoiding the question on whether Counsell would add wins to a team. 
 

[Swordsman78]

1 hour ago, Erstad Grit said:

You're changing the topic and avoiding the question on whether Counsell would add wins to a team. 
 

I doubt it and so did Arte.

[Tank]

4 hours ago, Hubs said:

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2023/11/cubs-to-hire-craig-counsell.html

 

I'm a little worried about the Cubs getting Ohtani.

they've been one of the teams i thought would be in play for him.

[Slegnaac]

Would Counsell intentionally walk a batter with the bases loaded?

This is a question that should be part of every managerial interview. 

[Erstad Grit]

16 hours ago, Swordsman78 said:

I doubt it and so did Arte.

It sounds like you're saying that a great manager won't really impact a team, in terms of wins, compared to an average manager.

The discussion can't be if counsell is a great manager or what should a great manager get paid. You're saying it doesn't matter.

I disagree with that. I'm not sure the number, but I'm guessing a great manager adds at minimal 2 to 3 wins, and that's assuming Nevin was an average manager and not sub par. 

Many would agree with you so I'm not saying you're wrong. 

[Erstad Grit]

44 minutes ago, Slegnaac said:

Would Counsell intentionally walk a batter with the bases loaded?

This is a question that should be part of every managerial interview. 

While losing fairly early in the game.

[BTH]

2 hours ago, Slegnaac said:

Would Counsell intentionally walk a batter with the bases loaded?

This is a question that should be part of every managerial interview. 

You know, despite Maddon’s claims that it fired up the guys, I wonder if that move got him canned.

That might’ve been the moment where he lost the clubhouse. Idc what anyone says, you’ve lost the clubhouse if you lose 12 in a row.

[Stradling]

2 hours ago, Erstad Grit said:

It sounds like you're saying that a great manager won't really impact a team, in terms of wins, compared to an average manager.

The discussion can't be if counsell is a great manager or what should a great manager get paid. You're saying it doesn't matter.

I disagree with that. I'm not sure the number, but I'm guessing a great manager adds at minimal 2 to 3 wins, and that's assuming Nevin was an average manager and not sub par. 

Many would agree with you so I'm not saying you're wrong. 

I’ve read somewhere in some article trying to break down the impact of a manager and it said that the difference between the best and worst managers would be about 5 wins in a season.